[Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!

[Adam Jackson]

Go to court anyway...if nothing else, you can usually get a reduction in
fines and/or points if you take the time to stand up and call BS in court on
some cop's bogus charge. I once interviewed a district court magistrate in
Michigan, and she said, in traffic hearings, she usually gives the defendant
a little something "just for showing up".

Besides, if you go to court, and the cop forgets to show up, everything is
dropped. Do it.

Adam Jackson
95 MTX

> ----------
> From: 	Noah South III[SMTP:RaggTopp@comcast.net]
> Sent: 	Friday, November 01, 2002 4:26 PM
> To: 	SHOTimes-Mailing List
> Subject: 	Re: [Shotimes] OT: Help!  Unfair traffic ticket!
> 
> At least in Michigan it is VERY illegal for an officer, whether uniformed
> or
> not, to pull someone over in an unmarked vehicle.  He can have wigwags and
> bubblegums if he wants, but he still can't use them to pull you over with.
> I'm sure other states have similar laws so you might want to look into
> trying that angle, if the stop was illegal, any ticket he gave you is
> void.
> In court however, it's going to come down to is the officer's word against
> yours, and unfortunately the officer can lie his ass off if he wants to.
> Unless you have some evidence that says otherwise he's going to win.
> Welcome to the wonderful world of law enforcement corruption.  I really
> would like to become an officer if for the only reason of eventually
> making
> my way into Internal Affairs.
> 
> -Noah South III
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Kesselring" <ckesselring@sisna.com>
> To: "Shotimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:57 PM
> Subject: [Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!
> 
> 
> > Today, I got a ticket in my SHO for an "improper lane change", and I am
> > furious about it.  This cop in an unmarked, untagged CV pulled me over
> and
> > accused me of making several lane changes without signalling.  The
> signal
> is
> > working...he checked.  What pisses me off is that I know I signalled, as
> I
> > do every single time, so this a**hole had to be either mistaken or
> making
> it
> > up.  I admit, I was driving fairly aggressively, and that is probably
> why
> he
> > pulled me over.  For him to cite me for something I didn't even do, or
> > rather not doing something I did do, is ludicrous.  Of course, I will go
> to
> > court, but what approach should I take?  Obviously, I am going to plead
> "Not
> > Guilty", does that automatically disqualify me from any bargaining?  I
> am
> > not going to plead "Guilty" to something I know I didn't do!  This isn't
> one
> > of those "Well, I'm not sure how fast I was going" things, I am dead
> sure.
> > What I really want to happen is to walk into the courtroom, explain that
> I
> > did not do what the officer said I did, and walk out with the ticket
> > dismissed.  But how do I do that?  Geez, this sucks.  Oh, and by the
> way,
> > this was in Midvale, UT.
> >
> > Christian Kesselring
> > '92 SHO 119k
> > '02 PT Cruiser 9k
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