[Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!

[Noah South III]

Oh that reminds me of another thing.  If there's no way out of it, just
showing up and making a formal apology can usually get your fine cut in
half.  If you're going to get screwed on this, you can at least try to make
it as painless as possible.

-Noah South III

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Jackson" <AJackson@sbtinfo.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!


> Go to court anyway...if nothing else, you can usually get a reduction in
> fines and/or points if you take the time to stand up and call BS in court
on
> some cop's bogus charge. I once interviewed a district court magistrate in
> Michigan, and she said, in traffic hearings, she usually gives the
defendant
> a little something "just for showing up".
>
> Besides, if you go to court, and the cop forgets to show up, everything is
> dropped. Do it.
>
> Adam Jackson
> 95 MTX
>
> > ----------
> > From: Noah South III[SMTP:RaggTopp@comcast.net]
> > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:26 PM
> > To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: Help!  Unfair traffic ticket!
> >
> > At least in Michigan it is VERY illegal for an officer, whether
uniformed
> > or
> > not, to pull someone over in an unmarked vehicle.  He can have wigwags
and
> > bubblegums if he wants, but he still can't use them to pull you over
with.
> > I'm sure other states have similar laws so you might want to look into
> > trying that angle, if the stop was illegal, any ticket he gave you is
> > void.
> > In court however, it's going to come down to is the officer's word
against
> > yours, and unfortunately the officer can lie his ass off if he wants to.
> > Unless you have some evidence that says otherwise he's going to win.
> > Welcome to the wonderful world of law enforcement corruption.  I really
> > would like to become an officer if for the only reason of eventually
> > making
> > my way into Internal Affairs.
> >
> > -Noah South III
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christian Kesselring" <ckesselring@sisna.com>
> > To: "Shotimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:57 PM
> > Subject: [Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!
> >
> >
> > > Today, I got a ticket in my SHO for an "improper lane change", and I
am
> > > furious about it.  This cop in an unmarked, untagged CV pulled me over
> > and
> > > accused me of making several lane changes without signalling.  The
> > signal
> > is
> > > working...he checked.  What pisses me off is that I know I signalled,
as
> > I
> > > do every single time, so this a**hole had to be either mistaken or
> > making
> > it
> > > up.  I admit, I was driving fairly aggressively, and that is probably
> > why
> > he
> > > pulled me over.  For him to cite me for something I didn't even do, or
> > > rather not doing something I did do, is ludicrous.  Of course, I will
go
> > to
> > > court, but what approach should I take?  Obviously, I am going to
plead
> > "Not
> > > Guilty", does that automatically disqualify me from any bargaining?  I
> > am
> > > not going to plead "Guilty" to something I know I didn't do!  This
isn't
> > one
> > > of those "Well, I'm not sure how fast I was going" things, I am dead
> > sure.
> > > What I really want to happen is to walk into the courtroom, explain
that
> > I
> > > did not do what the officer said I did, and walk out with the ticket
> > > dismissed.  But how do I do that?  Geez, this sucks.  Oh, and by the
> > way,
> > > this was in Midvale, UT.
> > >
> > > Christian Kesselring
> > > '92 SHO 119k
> > > '02 PT Cruiser 9k
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