[Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!

[alfitz@alfitz.com]

That depends on the State. Some States, Nebraska is one of them, have
pre-set fines and the judge can't make any changes. Sort of like mandatory
sentences. Why do we need judges???

Cops and cash registers is all we need.

Al Fitzgerald
alfitz@alfitz.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noah South III" <RaggTopp@comcast.net>
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Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!


> Oh that reminds me of another thing.  If there's no way out of it, just
> showing up and making a formal apology can usually get your fine cut in
> half.  If you're going to get screwed on this, you can at least try to
make
> it as painless as possible.
>
> -Noah South III
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Jackson" <AJackson@sbtinfo.com>
> To: "SHOTimes-Mailing List" <shotimes@autox.team.net>; "'Noah South III'"
> <RaggTopp@comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!
>
>
> > Go to court anyway...if nothing else, you can usually get a reduction in
> > fines and/or points if you take the time to stand up and call BS in
court
> on
> > some cop's bogus charge. I once interviewed a district court magistrate
in
> > Michigan, and she said, in traffic hearings, she usually gives the
> defendant
> > a little something "just for showing up".
> >
> > Besides, if you go to court, and the cop forgets to show up, everything
is
> > dropped. Do it.
> >
> > Adam Jackson
> > 95 MTX
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Noah South III[SMTP:RaggTopp@comcast.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:26 PM
> > > To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: Help!  Unfair traffic ticket!
> > >
> > > At least in Michigan it is VERY illegal for an officer, whether
> uniformed
> > > or
> > > not, to pull someone over in an unmarked vehicle.  He can have wigwags
> and
> > > bubblegums if he wants, but he still can't use them to pull you over
> with.
> > > I'm sure other states have similar laws so you might want to look into
> > > trying that angle, if the stop was illegal, any ticket he gave you is
> > > void.
> > > In court however, it's going to come down to is the officer's word
> against
> > > yours, and unfortunately the officer can lie his ass off if he wants
to.
> > > Unless you have some evidence that says otherwise he's going to win.
> > > Welcome to the wonderful world of law enforcement corruption.  I
really
> > > would like to become an officer if for the only reason of eventually
> > > making
> > > my way into Internal Affairs.
> > >
> > > -Noah South III
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Christian Kesselring" <ckesselring@sisna.com>
> > > To: "Shotimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > Subject: [Shotimes] OT: Help! Unfair traffic ticket!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Today, I got a ticket in my SHO for an "improper lane change", and I
> am
> > > > furious about it.  This cop in an unmarked, untagged CV pulled me
over
> > > and
> > > > accused me of making several lane changes without signalling.  The
> > > signal
> > > is
> > > > working...he checked.  What pisses me off is that I know I
signalled,
> as
> > > I
> > > > do every single time, so this a**hole had to be either mistaken or
> > > making
> > > it
> > > > up.  I admit, I was driving fairly aggressively, and that is
probably
> > > why
> > > he
> > > > pulled me over.  For him to cite me for something I didn't even do,
or
> > > > rather not doing something I did do, is ludicrous.  Of course, I
will
> go
> > > to
> > > > court, but what approach should I take?  Obviously, I am going to
> plead
> > > "Not
> > > > Guilty", does that automatically disqualify me from any bargaining?
I
> > > am
> > > > not going to plead "Guilty" to something I know I didn't do!  This
> isn't
> > > one
> > > > of those "Well, I'm not sure how fast I was going" things, I am dead
> > > sure.
> > > > What I really want to happen is to walk into the courtroom, explain
> that
> > > I
> > > > did not do what the officer said I did, and walk out with the ticket
> > > > dismissed.  But how do I do that?  Geez, this sucks.  Oh, and by the
> > > way,
> > > > this was in Midvale, UT.
> > > >
> > > > Christian Kesselring
> > > > '92 SHO 119k
> > > > '02 PT Cruiser 9k
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