[Shotimes] (OT) Forbe's article about Ford

Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:56:27 -0800

It's entry level if you're shopping the premium brands (of which Ford, Nissan,
Honda, and Toyota are not).

Mark

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:16:33 -0500 Ron Nottingham <nottingham@alltel.net>
wrote:

> While true, the Euro Accord will be an "entry"
> level car, but it's entry
> level is for Acura.  It won't be a $15k entry
> level, but close to $20k,
> which is the price of a mid-level 4-cylinder
> Accord (the UK Accord 2.0i VTEC
> SE bases at 15k quid, just a guestimate should
> place it around $20k US for
> US sale).  Not too entry level :-)  I would
> also guestimate it would shadow
> the pricing for an RSX (base $19,975 up to
> $23,270, base Type-S).  The
> Euro-spec Accord dimensions are: 183.7"L,
> 69.3"W, 57.1"H,  with a 105.1"
> wheelbase (slots nicely between the US Civic
> and Accord sedans).  While it
> is smaller than our "mid-size", it is larger
> than an "entry" level sedan,
> and has a nice niche if people feel the Civic
> is too small for them, and the
> current Accord is too large (my wife thinks
> this way, but don't ask why she
> likes her smaller 325, you know how women can
> be).
> 
> Which brings me right back to the notion that
> the Gen1/2 Taurus has the
> "perfect" overall dimensions, just needs a
> little longer wheelbase :-)
> 
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Kelley" 
> To: "Ron Childs" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Forbe's article
> about Ford
> 
> 
> > True, but it's coming in as an entry level
> sedan, not a mid-range sedan
> like
> > the Taurus, Accord, or Camry.  If Honda
> thought it was sell as a
> mid-range,
> > they wouldn't have spent the money designing
> a larger Accord just for the
> > American market.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:27:24 -0800 Ron Childs
> 
> wrote:
> >
> > > The smaller Euro Accord is coming to the
> USA to
> > > replace the departed 4-door
> > > Integra. We will get a chance to see how
> well
> > > liked it is here.
> > >
> > > -Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mark Kelley"
> > > >To: "Don McKinnon \(AST\)"
> > > >CC: "SHOtimes \(Team.net\)"
> > > >Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Forbe's
> article
> > > about Ford
> > > >Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:13:01 -0600
> > > >
> > > >Something that occurred to me on my drive
> home
> > > from work is that the Euro
> > > >and Japanese Accords are smaller than the
> > > American Accord (not sure about
> > > >the Camry) because that aren't the right
> size
> > > for American tastes.  Nick
> > > >Scheele needs to keep that in mind before
> he
> > > downsizes the Taurus (or
> > > >whatever replaces it) due to his belief
> that
> > > Americans want smaller cars.
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > >
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> > > Behalf Of Don McKinnon (AST)
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:28
> PM
> > > > > To: mrkelley64@earthlink.net;
> > > shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Forbe's
> > > article about Ford
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like this article!
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.forbes.com/columnists/2002/10/29/cz_jf_1029flint.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "The way to fix the problem is to build
> a
> > > better Taurus. Keep it
> > > > > longer, but
> > > > > get more powerful motors. Your engines
> are
> > > no match for the
> > > > > competition, and
> > > > > you need a punchier four-cylinder for
> > > Taurus, too. "
> > > > >
> > > > > and...
> > > > > "Meanwhile, rear-wheel drive is coming
> back
> > > into vogue, and Ford,
> > > > > which has
> > > > > the only rear-wheel-drive big U.S.
> sedans
> > > in production (the Ford Crown
> > > > > Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis),
> could
> > > take advantage of this
> > > > > fact. But
> > > > > instead of turning these into
> competitive
> > > products, the automaker is
> > > >happy
> > > > > to let them age and sell the Fords to
> taxi
> > > drivers and cops, and the
> > > >Mercs
> > > > > to geezers like myself. "
> > > > >
> > > > > Don McKinnon
> > > > > 95 MTX
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > >
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> > > Behalf Of Mark Kelley
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:04
> PM
> > > > > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: [Shotimes] (OT) Forbe's
> article
> > > about Ford
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We've all heard the bad news about
> Ford.
> > > This Forbe's article points
> > > >out
> > > > > some of the strengths of Ford:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.forbes.com/home/2002/11/04/cz_jf_1104flint.html
> > > > >
> > > > > I find it interesting that some of the
> > > observations made in the
> > > > > article are
> > > > > the same as some observations posted on
> > > this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > >
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