[Shotimes] Re: Fiero (was Cooling Issues???????)
Ron Nottingham
nottingham@alltel.net
Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:35:29 -0500
The real 85 Pace Car had a cool 2.7L Quad 4 (GM's first public use of the
engine, and they wanted to show it off). The replica Pace Cars had either
the 2.5L (non)Tech-4 which wheezed 92hp or the 3.0L V6, which was a
destroked 3.8L V6, and was probably over rated at 125hp. Those early 3.0L's
weren't very good :-( But, since the engine is just a destroked 3.8L, it
would take very little to put a new S/C'd 3.8L and 4-spd auto into one. Way
cool ride :-)
Ron N. - Dalton, GA
90 SHO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: <mattbell@everestkc.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Fiero (was Cooling Issues???????)
> According to this site, a real Pace Car should have the 2.7 Quad 4:
>
> http://www.indy500.com/press/2001/pacecar-03082001.php3
>
> This site says it was a 215 HP Quad 4, the first Olds Pace Car with a
> 4-cylinder engine and FWD. It says the engine was modified, and the top
> removed.
>
>
http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_sports/2000/1/2001_oldsmobile/i
> ndex2.phtml7
>
> That car sounds like one of the spin-off Pace Cars that are built with the
> trim packages put on standard cars. This site sorta confirms that:
> http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/of442.htm as it says:
>
> "1985 Indy Pace Car
> The Pace Car Replica car had special aluminum wheels, spoiler, Calais 500
> emblems, and a special silver leather interior. It was otherwise a stock
> Calais, with either the Pontiac Iron Duke 151 CID 4 cyl or the optional
> Buick V-6 (I think in 3.0 liter size. The Indy Pace Car decals were
> optional."
>
> Ron Porter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Bell [mailto:mattbell@everestkc.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:11 AM
> To: 'James F. Ryan III'; 'Ron Porter'; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Fiero (was Cooling Issues???????)
>
>
> If an Indy Fiero is worth something, can anyone tell me if a 1985 Olds
> Calais 500 Indy Pace car is worth anything? I can't find any real info
> on the car other than a few pictures of the real one on the track. I
> know where there is a wrecked one that is going to be cheap. It's all
> there though. 3.0 V6 in it makes me wonder what the H.P. is.
>
> Blah Blah, I got this, I got that, mod this mod that
> Can't put a picture in, blah blah blah.
> Matt Bell
> 1999 SHO Black 34K
> 1996 Dakota "Sport" 61K
> 1995 Taurus SE 110K
> 1992 SHO Silver Frost 138K
> 1988 Taurus Silver Frost 89K GL
> 1986 Cavalier CS 50K
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James F. Ryan III
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:52 PM
> To: Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Fiero (was Cooling Issues???????)
>
> > I haven't poked around to see the production numbers for '88, but I
> suspect
> > there were fewer GTs than Formulas,
>
> Wrong, Ron. Your '88 GT is rare, but it's not the rarest Fiero.
>
> '88 base coupe - 19,553
> '88 GT - 6,848
> '88 Formula - 5,475
>
> '87 Sport Coupe - 3,135 (rare but not desirable)
> '84 Indy Pace Car replica - 2,000
> (rare, not a top performer, but commanding $$$$)
>
>
> > plus GTs were the most expensive and
> > most highly optioned Fiero of 1988.
>
> I will agree with you there, Ron.
>
> 1988 Fiero base prices
>
> base coupe - $8,999
> GT - $10,999
> Formula - $13,999
>
>
> > As with many cars, the V6 5-speed models
> > are commanding more $$$, even today.
>
> I've never found actual MTX and ATX production numbers, but unfotunately
> like the Corvette, I think there are many more ATX cars.
>
>
> > The newest hot tip for Fiero engine swaps seems to be the Northstar.
> > Good-looking engine, and nice power.
>
> Hot tip?!?!? Only if you've got $5000+ burning a hole in your pocket.
> Also, the Northstar must be used with its computer-controlled ATX. :^(
>
> The most popular engine swap seems to be the Buick 3800 V-6 - excellent
> hp
> without the weight penalty of the SBC. I've even seen some Fiero's with
> the
> supercharged 3800, but now we're talking bucks again and ATX only.
>
> My '84 SE will soon be getting a 180hp 2.3L Quad-4 HO/Getrag 5-spd to
> replace the 92hp 2.5L Iron Duke/TH-125C 3-spd auto.
>
>
>
> Jim Ryan - Wayne, NJ
> 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.2L
> 84 Fiero SE
> 91 Plus - all white/mocha
> FPS 96 brakes, Carbotech pads, LPM and 80mm MAF w/ K&N and SHO Shop can
> &
> horn, SHO Shop Y-pipe and cat-back w/ Edelbrock mufflers, KONIs with SHO
> Shop linear springs, f&r strut tower braces and poly bushings all
> around,
> HiRevs Jr clutch and lightweight flywheel, underdrive pulleys, torque
> limiters, Cincy SHO reinforced engine mounts, Bridgestone Potenza RE730
> tires (excellent), and police grille.
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