[Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light

[David P]

Ford simply provided the color. The dealers mass ordered the color because
they had no problems moving the color. The color is everywhere because more
people liked it than any other color. Middle-of-the-road average people tend
to like dark colors on their cars. Bright reds and Blues are too flashy and
attract too much attention, and light colors show too much dirt. We seem to
forget that these are TAURII, cars that 99% of the time were bought to get
from point A to point B and not much else. We enthusiasts are a vast
minority by a vast margin.

As for the Gen2's, they only sold around 5,000 more cars total, even though
Ford tripled their customer base by adding an automatic. In my book, the
Gen1's wiped the Gen2 MTX's AND ATX's, just not in actual production
numbers. Again, though, thank the dealers for ordering these numbers, and
thank the average American for preferring no stick so they can talk on the
phone and eat a burger while navigating through traffic with 2.5 whiny kids
in the back seat.

Also, this IS a FWD car. Few people, even today, equate FWD with power or
performance. Ford's probably lucky they were able to sell ANY performance
vehicles so early in the FWD game. The SHO will definitely go down in the
history books as one unique car with an unusual history.


David P

95MTX



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ryan" <av8r567@optonline.net>
To: "Timothy Tyner" <shospeed@bigplanet.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>;
<techsho@topica.com>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 20:41
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
flashing air bag light


> UUUUhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm.....gee, last time I checked Gen2 meant '92-'95.  I
> don't have the production figures in front of me because they're at home
> (which is 3000 miles away), but the Gen2s FAR outsold the Gen1s -
especially
> those green ATXs.
>
>
> James F. Ryan III
> formerly of Wayne, NJ
> living in Long Beach, CA for the next month
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Tyner [mailto:shospeed@bigplanet.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: av8r567@optonline.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
> flashing air bag light
>
>
> Low production? Are you serious?  There are around 2100 95 MTX's, or about
> 13,000 LESS than 89 MTX's.
>
> Toolman
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Jim Ryan
> Date: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:36:48 PM
> To: TechSHO@topica.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
> flashing air bag light
>
> Oh no you didn't. Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Gen1: 90 & 91 have ABS
> > better rear brakes
> better sway bars
> 89 is lightest
> low production
> MTX
> 91 Plus model
> police grille
> body work makes it stand out in a crowd of Tauri
>
> Gen2: crappy rear brakes
> green
> crappy sway bars
> green
> ATX (ugh)
> green
> high production (compared to Gen1)
> green
> uses Sable body parts
> green
> body work makes it blend in with other Tauri
> green
> no special models like the 91 Plus
> green
> ugly SHO center caps
> green
> directional wheels
> did I mention that sickening green color?
>
> now for the good:
> 3.2L engine
> better looking exhaust tips
>
>
> Flame suit on!!!
>
> James F. Ryan III
> formerly of Wayne, NJ
> living in Long Beach, CA for the next month
>
> where the hell is this southern CA sun? I haven't seen blue sky since I
> left NJ.
> this place sucks, so far.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James White [mailto:greensho@crown.net]
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:29 PM
> To: TechSHO@topica.com
> Subject: Re: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd: flashing air
> bag light
>
>
> Gen I vs Gen II vs Gen III
>
> IMHO...
>
> Gen I: NO ABS (on '89)
> Rust in structural places frequently
>
> Gen II: ABS & VAPS (I like VAPS for everyday)
> Better rust resistance in the structural areas
> Best styling
> Easiest to upgrade suspension
> Easiest to upgrade the motor
> Brake upgrade is easy on a '94/5
>
> Gen III: Automatic Trans ONLY
> Nearly possible to upgrade the Motor
>
> Clearly the Gen II is the best SHO once you have done a few upgrades.
>
> Jim White - greensho@crown.net
> Valparaiso, Indiana
> '93 5 SPEED 271k few mods
> '95 5 SPEED 156k lots of mods
> "double clutch" it's good for both you and your SHO
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marlene Doyle" <snowwind1990@yahoo.com>
> To: <TechSHO@topica.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:46 PM
> Subject: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
>
> flashing air bag light
>
>
> > I'm sure this isn't going to be the high tech answer
> > we are used to here, but here goes;
> > The low speed to high speed climb is sluggish in a Gen
> > II./vs. Gen I.
> > the Gen II will not sit down and scoot fast enough
> > around any kind of corner.
> > The wheel hop drives me nuts at speeds greater than
> > 60mph.
> > At 100+, Gen II seems to take longer to open all the
> > way up, and the die down is slower..
> > Gen I gets up quick and slows quicker at speeds over
> > 100+.....from a range of 72-100 the Gen I hangs to see
> > if you want more, the Gen II pulls back hoping you
> > don't ask.
> > I think the weight increase of the Gen II and the lack
> > of a beefy swaybar setup is to blame,,but they would
> > have been better suited up with the 15" to sit down in
> > the corners instead of flying and hopping all around
> > like they do.
> > I just think that the impressive paint selection, the
> > quieter interior and the sub-woofers just isn't enough
> > adders to keep me pleased with the lessening of
> > performance "control" over the Gen I.
> > There are also four blind corners from the drivers'
> > view and I am distracted by that......haven't your
> > ever noticed that in a Gen II?
> > There I said it....
> > M
> > --- John Weidenbenner <johnjweid@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > It's a good tech question. There's not a better
> > > place to ask this question!
> > > If you look past the Gen I bias comment.
> > >
> > > John W.
> > > 89 & 93 SHOz
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@attbi.com>
> > > To: <TechSHO@topica.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Attn:::Wizard of Codes::Fwd: flashing
> > > air bag light
> > >
> > >
> > > > This really isn't a topic for Tech SHO, but I'll
> > > bite... Why? As an
> > > > owner of both a Gen1 and Gen2 I'm curious.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Kegel
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Marlene Doyle
> > > [mailto:snowwind1990@yahoo.com]
> > > >
> > > > The SHO in question is not mine...(I will never
> > > own a
> > > > gen II again..I've tried them twice and don't like
> > > > them)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
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> > 1990 OxFord White: Snowwind@313K
> > 1991 Black: Bart@190K
> >
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