[Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light

[Mark D. Mallory]

Welcome to the club... based on your combined, I'd say you can get around
27-29 mpg on strait highway.  It almost seems like it's split 50/50 for
those who get around 30 mpg and those who don't.  O2 sensors won't help,
cleaning the MAF has some affect, and that's about it.  Everything else
seems to help performance, but has nearly zero affect on the mpg.

Either way, these cars get good gas mileage.  Look at the power output and
age... how many cars with matching characteristics get upwards of 24 mpg on
a regular basis?  Even on the bad days we're looking at 20+ which is still
decent.  That's not to say that these cars are awesome by today's standards,
but that is an unfair comparison.  The cars were designed and built years
ago, at which time they were awesome.

Mark Mallory
Toledo, Ohio
'95 SHO MTX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Balser" <masho95@attbi.com>
To: "David P" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
flashing air bag light


> Whoa wait a minute...you get 30+ mpg??? Maybe my O2's ARE old...I'm
getting
> about 24 mpg combined city and highway.
>
> '95 MTX
> masho95
> http://home.attbi.com/~masho95
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David P" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "_SHOTIMES II"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
> flashing air bag light
>
>
> > Agreed, but the SHO is still a Taurus, and the Taurus has history that
> adds
> > to the package. Also, it's not the fact that the car is a hybrid. but
the
> > technology presented as a result of the mating that is unique. Exactly
how
> > many N/A, small displacement, 220hp, 30+ mpg, seating for 5, sportish
cars
> > were on the road in 89?
> >
> >
> > David P
> >
> > 95MTX
> >
> >
> >
> > ~
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > To: "_SHOTIMES II" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:44
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
Codes::Fwd:
> > flashing air bag light
> >
> >
> > > It's a matter of personal opinion, I guess. The SHO was not the first
> > hybrid
> > > car to be produced by an America mfr. Yes, it was a good one, but not
> all
> > > that unique of a concept.
> > >
> > > What does a SHO have to do with "saving Ford". Yes, the Taurus did,
but
> > Ford
> > > would have gone belly-up if the Taurus only came in a SHO model.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David P [mailto:jpotter8@bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 3:50 AM
> > > To: Ron Porter; alfitz@alfitz.com; _SHOTIMES II
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> > > Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light
> > >
> > >
> > > A crossbred engine is all the SHO has going for it? Did any Merkur
> > > practically save Ford? Did they come with motors that were a departure
> > from
> > > Ford design? Did they offer what cars twice as expensive couldn't
muster
> ?
> > I
> > > don't see a small Euro-style body mated with a standard 2.3L Turbo as
> > being
> > > as unique and interesting as the SHO.
> > >
> > >
> > > David P
> > >
> > > 95MTX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: <alfitz@alfitz.com>; "_SHOTIMES II" <shotimes@autox.team.net>;
> "David
> > P"
> > > <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 20:52
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> Codes::Fwd:
> > > flashing air bag light
> > >
> > >
> > > > Those were the first US cars, but the serious FWD drive effort
started
> > in
> > > > the late '70s. I had one of the new style Rivieras in '79, the
> Chrysler
> > > > Omni-Horizon was late '70s, GM X-cars in '80, etc. Ford was late to
> the
> > > game
> > > > with the Escort and Tempo/Topaz.
> > > >
> > > > FEWIW, I don't see where there will be any "history" on the SHO, as
it
> > > isn't
> > > > that unique. Cosworth Vega was as unique back in '75, Merkur came
> along
> > in
> > > > mid '80s. Crossbred engines and bodies predated the SHO by many
years.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:11 AM
> > > > To: _SHOTIMES II; David P
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> > > > Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You said; "so early in the FWD game".
> > > > How about the mass produced Toranados and Cadi from the 70s? 350 CID
> > FWD.
> > > >
> > > > Al Fitzgerald
> > > > alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > >
> > > > > Also, this IS a FWD car. Few people, even today, equate FWD with
> power
> > > or
> > > > > performance. Ford's probably lucky they were able to sell ANY
> > > performance
> > > > > vehicles so early in the FWD game. The SHO will definitely go down
> in
> > > the
> > > > > history books as one unique car with an unusual history.
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