[Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light

[DTNesbit@FTC-I.net]

I agree.  Most of the time when I see some ad in a car mag other than the
exotic( read 60k or more) I see features touted that I already have.
David
94ATX &91
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark D Mallory" <mmallory78@earthlink.net>
To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@attbi.com>; "David P" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
flashing air bag light


> Welcome to the club... based on your combined, I'd say you can get around
> 27-29 mpg on strait highway.  It almost seems like it's split 50/50 for
> those who get around 30 mpg and those who don't.  O2 sensors won't help,
> cleaning the MAF has some affect, and that's about it.  Everything else
> seems to help performance, but has nearly zero affect on the mpg.
>
> Either way, these cars get good gas mileage.  Look at the power output and
> age... how many cars with matching characteristics get upwards of 24 mpg
on
> a regular basis?  Even on the bad days we're looking at 20+ which is still
> decent.  That's not to say that these cars are awesome by today's
standards,
> but that is an unfair comparison.  The cars were designed and built years
> ago, at which time they were awesome.
>
> Mark Mallory
> Toledo, Ohio
> '95 SHO MTX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Balser" <masho95@attbi.com>
> To: "David P" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of Codes::Fwd:
> flashing air bag light
>
>
> > Whoa wait a minute...you get 30+ mpg??? Maybe my O2's ARE old...I'm
> getting
> > about 24 mpg combined city and highway.
> >
> > '95 MTX
> > masho95
> > http://home.attbi.com/~masho95
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David P" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "_SHOTIMES II"
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
Codes::Fwd:
> > flashing air bag light
> >
> >
> > > Agreed, but the SHO is still a Taurus, and the Taurus has history that
> > adds
> > > to the package. Also, it's not the fact that the car is a hybrid. but
> the
> > > technology presented as a result of the mating that is unique. Exactly
> how
> > > many N/A, small displacement, 220hp, 30+ mpg, seating for 5, sportish
> cars
> > > were on the road in 89?
> > >
> > >
> > > David P
> > >
> > > 95MTX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "_SHOTIMES II" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:44
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> Codes::Fwd:
> > > flashing air bag light
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's a matter of personal opinion, I guess. The SHO was not the
first
> > > hybrid
> > > > car to be produced by an America mfr. Yes, it was a good one, but
not
> > all
> > > > that unique of a concept.
> > > >
> > > > What does a SHO have to do with "saving Ford". Yes, the Taurus did,
> but
> > > Ford
> > > > would have gone belly-up if the Taurus only came in a SHO model.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David P [mailto:jpotter8@bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 3:50 AM
> > > > To: Ron Porter; alfitz@alfitz.com; _SHOTIMES II
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> > > > Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A crossbred engine is all the SHO has going for it? Did any Merkur
> > > > practically save Ford? Did they come with motors that were a
departure
> > > from
> > > > Ford design? Did they offer what cars twice as expensive couldn't
> muster
> > ?
> > > I
> > > > don't see a small Euro-style body mated with a standard 2.3L Turbo
as
> > > being
> > > > as unique and interesting as the SHO.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David P
> > > >
> > > > 95MTX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > To: <alfitz@alfitz.com>; "_SHOTIMES II" <shotimes@autox.team.net>;
> > "David
> > > P"
> > > > <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 20:52
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> > Codes::Fwd:
> > > > flashing air bag light
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Those were the first US cars, but the serious FWD drive effort
> started
> > > in
> > > > > the late '70s. I had one of the new style Rivieras in '79, the
> > Chrysler
> > > > > Omni-Horizon was late '70s, GM X-cars in '80, etc. Ford was late
to
> > the
> > > > game
> > > > > with the Escort and Tempo/Topaz.
> > > > >
> > > > > FEWIW, I don't see where there will be any "history" on the SHO,
as
> it
> > > > isn't
> > > > > that unique. Cosworth Vega was as unique back in '75, Merkur came
> > along
> > > in
> > > > > mid '80s. Crossbred engines and bodies predated the SHO by many
> years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:11 AM
> > > > > To: _SHOTIMES II; David P
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: Gen I vs. Gen II:::::was:Wizard of
> > > > > Codes::Fwd: flashing air bag light
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You said; "so early in the FWD game".
> > > > > How about the mass produced Toranados and Cadi from the 70s? 350
CID
> > > FWD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Al Fitzgerald
> > > > > alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, this IS a FWD car. Few people, even today, equate FWD with
> > power
> > > > or
> > > > > > performance. Ford's probably lucky they were able to sell ANY
> > > > performance
> > > > > > vehicles so early in the FWD game. The SHO will definitely go
down
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > history books as one unique car with an unusual history.
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