[Shotimes] Latest Lowrider Update
Ian Fisher
ianf@eden.rutgers.edu
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:44:13 -0400
It's not a pal, it's a car. And if I had a pal that was dying of old
age, had one huge traumatic accident and was being fixed only to keep
going a little longer and was pretty much on life support, I'd think
that it was time to pull the plug as well.
Ian
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From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marlene Doyle
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:38 AM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shotimes] Latest Lowrider Update
Dave that commentary amounts to betrayal....
I understand George perfectly.
A pal is a pal,,,,,I don't think about or question
what it takes to maintain loyalty...either I have what
is needed now or will get it....to satisfy the needs
of someone or something that has been loyal to me and
now needs me...
I guess time is always the final factor in determining
true loyalty and love...and in the case of our SHOs
all growing older at a very rapid rate...the ties that
binds will weaken for the less altruistic.
Marlene
...........we can joke about obsession, but it is no
laughing matter.
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> Message: 1
> From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
> To: <ronporter@prodigy.net>, <dmall@mwonline.net>
> Cc: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) CTS-V in Detroit
> Free Press
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:36:59 -0500
>
> Ron Porter wrote on 4/16/03 5:17 pm:
>
> >Don, your "pro-American"
> >bias is understandable, but
> >be realistic.
> >
> >I have driven the new DeVille
> >DHS. The interior is
> >comparable to a Cavalier, it's
> >pitiful. The STS/SLS is
> >superior in quality. If you are
> >gonna play in the high $$$
> >segment, do it right. Yes, the
> >LS1-LS6 motor is a triumph
> >of Detroit prowess, but this
> >segment won't accept a
> >Chevy motor in a car that is
> >to compete with the class
> >standards. What Detroit
> >doesn't seem to understand
> >is that to be a success in this
> >market, you have to be
> >BETTER than what is
> >available. I'm sure that the
> >CTS-V will cost $60k+. For
> >that kind of money, I'll buy
> >the $70K M5 without a
> >second thought.
> >
> >Not that I like the Honda
> >Element better than the
> >Aztec, but they have
> >outfitted the Honda with an
> >interior that is better suited
> >to the intended use, ie
> >rubber mats and other
> >fittings for hard use.
> >
> >When you are appealing to
> >the top-end buyer, the little
> >things matter. Using Chevy
> >engine.....whether it runs as
> >well as an import or
> >not.....won't get it. To me,
> >Cadillac is appealing to a
> >move-up customer from an
> >American car, and won't
> >sway the guys looking at the
> >M5.
> >
> >There is an element of
> >quality that the BMW and
> >MB have that American mfrs
> >have not yet approached. If
> >you have spent time in a
> >BMW or MB you will
> >understand......and the
> >market has proven this.
> >
> >BTW, the new M5 in the new
> >bodystyle is reported to
> >have 500 HP.
> >
> >And I don't want to hear that
> >there is better bang-for-
> >the-buck with American cars.
> >They have said that they
> >are trying to compete with
> >the other mfrs head-to-
> >head.........cost is not a factor
> >in this market.
> >
> >And no, the fact that I think
> >that the CTS is as ugly as the
> >Aztec has nothing to do with
> >it. FWIW, if my company
> >does as well as I hope it will
> >over the next few years, a
> >high-dollar sedan could be in
> >my future, and the CTS will
> >not be a consideration.
>
> FWIW, BMW's have a much better overall feel and
> quality interior than anything Detroit can muster.
> Considering my wife's 89 325i was BMW's
> "economy"/entry level car, it is MUCH better than
> the SHO, and comes very close to the 92-94 750iL's
> we have been looking at as a replacement for her (we
> are expecting a third child and need more room, and
> NASA's Spec E30 series looks mighty cool!)
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
> 89 325i
> and more BMW's than Fords in my future
>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
> To: <ronporter@prodigy.net>, "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) CTS-V in Detroit
> Free Press
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:36:54 -0500
>
> Ron Porter wrote on 4/16/03 2:45 pm:
>
> >Speaking of Impala SS.....it
> >seems that all talk about the
> >Marauder has totally
> >stopped!!
> >
> >I suspect that sales are in the
> >toilet. For a car that I
> >originally thought would
> >absolutely positively be my
> >next car, it has totally
> >dropped off my radar screen
> >as something that I would
> >even consider buying.
> >
>
> What's funny is the new Hummer H2 handily outsold
> the Marauder in its first 6 months than the latter
> has sold since its introduction!
>
> Ford needs to give it up and just build SUVs,
> Mustangs & fleet vehicles. I know I probably won't
> buy another Ford product, unless its an SUV or
> 'Stang. Ford doesn't have a clue about what the
> public wants in a sports sedan. The public expected
> similar, if not better, performance from the 300hp
> Marauder compared to the older 260hp SS.
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
> 89 325i
>
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> Message: 3
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