[Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
Kerry Kinion
kerry@kinionfurniture.com
Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:47:08 -0700
Newmy,
Tell me more - I've said it before and I'll say it again (OK quit
laughing you guys) - I am not much of a mechanic but learning more all
the time. Please tell me specifics about how to get a good read on oil
pressure with a manual gauge???
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: -Newmy- [mailto:thenewmster@shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:52 PM
To: Kerry Kinion; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
get a good read on your oil pressure.. through a manual guage...
Newmy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> Car does not sound like it's out of time. In fact it's been running
> really good. This is not to brag but I'm a rock and roll drummer as
> well, so I may hear things beyond what is normal! This ticking is
> driving me nuts though! Let me ask this - If it's a shim out of spec,
> where is the best place to listen (thru stethoscope) for this. I
tried
> the valve cover bolts and valve covers but still didn't feel like I
had
> a good read on where the sound was coming from.
>
> The crank bolt is definitely TQ'd, So what does leave to check? If it
> is deeper in the valves or bearings, how do you know what to do?? If
a
> bearing is bad is there a way to know for sure and could a bad bearing
> or something be causing this symptom?
>
> Kerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:27 PM
> To: Kerry Kinion
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
> Most likely it's not crank cancer. That would effect the car
throughout
> the
> entire rpm range. And the car would sound like it's out of time.
> Usually
> it'll only happen if someone took the crank bolt off and never
> re-torqued it
> to it's proper torque.
>
> '95 MTX
> Erik B.
> http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> http://mashomods.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
>
> > Ticking is definitely happening between 2000-3000 RPM's. Not a
tranny
> > problem. I can make it do it on command in neutral at about 2400
> RPM's
> > when I lightly accelerate. Above about 3000 RPM's the thing sounds
> fine
> > - in fact it sounds like a bad ass SOB. I hesitate to say where I
> think
> > the noise is coming from because I just can't isolate it yet. I'm
> still
> > fearing crank cancer! At the same time I am fearing the worst -
that
> > maybe I still have a shim out of spec. - If this is the case I'll be
> > really pissed. I spent hours making sure I was in spec.
> >
> > Thanks again to you Erik and to the list for helping and not being
too
> > hard on rookies like myself!!
> >
> > Josh Salaets might hook up with me in a day or two. If he listens
to
> > this maybe he can help with the diagnosis and I'll keep you all
filled
> > in. I know I can't be the first and only with this problem.
> >
> > Kerry Kinion
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:16 PM
> > To: Kerry Kinion
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> > If you only hear the tick at about 2500 rpm's then most likely the
> > ticking
> > isn't the fuel injectors. Yeah I first noticed the ticking I
thought
> > something was wrong with my valve lash. I still haven't gotten
around
> > to
> > the valve lash adjustment yet, because of the cost for renting the
> tools
> > and
> > shims. Overall the majority of the SHO's I know about weren't very
> far
> > out
> > of spec if any even after 120K miles or so. As far as blowouts
> blowing
> > something in the tranny? most likely not, or if it did you'd know.
> The
> > injectors will tick faster as the rpm's go up as they are firing
more
> > often
> > to supply fuel for the higher rpm's so sometimes you can lose the
> sound
> > of
> > them over the engine noise as the rpm's increase. Does the noise
only
> > happen
> > in 2nd gear? Put the e-brake on and set the car in neutral.. rev
the
> > car up
> > to 2500 or 3000 rpms or so to see if you still hear the noise. If
you
> > only
> > hear it while in gear it definitely could be a tranny problem.
Where
> > does
> > the noise sound like it's coming from? the valve covers? try to
> pinpoint
> > the
> > noise more to a general area after you try the other thing i just
> > suggested.
> > I know it's not easy narrowing some noises down to an area. let me
> know
> > if
> > you can hear the sound when the car is reved up in neutral.. that
> should
> > help narrow the problem down a little.
> >
> > '95 MTX
> > Erik B.
> > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > http://mashomods.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@charter.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:43 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> >
> > Dude,
> >
> > Yes,MTX. I was way off wasn't I? Hope to meet you one of these
days
> > anyway. The thing is I don't hear the noise at idle. Idle sounds
> > great. It's when I shift into 2nd gear(or just push throttle up to
> > about 2500rpm), just barely accelerate to about 2500 RPM's that I
hear
> > it. Could the burnouts have blown something in the trans.? Just
got
> > your latest warning message! It was fun seeing the power that
Yamaha
> > has - but your heads up is warning is heeded and appreciated! I
want
> to
> > go to a Quaife too, just can't afford it right now. I definitely
> notice
> > the one-sided torque pull on the steering without it.
> >
> > Do the injectors make a ticking noise at higher than idle? When you
> say
> > you didn't notice your injectors ticking for a long time - when you
> did,
> > did you think something was wrong? Thanks for your help and input -
> > REALLY!
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:30 AM
> > To: Kerry Kinion
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> > No I'm out in Massachusetts. Wish i could take a look at it for
you.
> > The
> > injectors make a ticking noise they you can definitely hear at idle.
> > Maybe
> > you are noticing that noise for the first time since you may be
> worried
> > you
> > did something wrong? Just an idea and I never noticed my injectors
> > ticking
> > for a long time.
> >
> > '95 MTX
> > Erik B.
> > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > http://mashomods.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@charter.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> >
> > Hey Eric,
> >
> > Are you in Corvallis- or am I totally mistaken?? I just want
somebody
> > who knows the SHO to listen to what I'm hearing and tell me if I
> should
> > worry or not. And, if I should worry, what I need to do?? The oil
> leak
> > is 2nd priority - the machine gun sound is the first!
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:47 PM
> > To: Kerry Kinion; Shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> > There is a oil seal called the rear main seal where the tranny and
> motor
> > connect. Actually where the tranny bolts up to the engine is where
> the
> > flywheel sits and behind that the rear main seal. This is a common
> oil
> > leak
> > point and is most likely where you oil is coming from. The
> > transmission,
> > flywheel, etc. must come out to replace this seal.
> >
> > '95 MTX
> > Erik B.
> > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > http://mashomods.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:09 AM
> > Subject: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > >
> > > I wrote in previously about a strange ticking noise that has
started
> > > after I did the 60k service. I'm (OK - going out on a limb here)
> sure
> > I
> > > got the valve shims back to spec. - checked about three times
before
> > > putting the thing back together!
> > >
> > > Got George's message and read FAQ about crank cancer - This could
be
> > the
> > > problem??
> > >
> > > Borrowed an automotive stethoscope from a friend, but I don't
claim
> to
> > > know what I am hearing thru the thing. 1st step was I removed RF
> > > wheel/well/etc. and TQ'd crank bolt to spec(actually past a little
> > bit).
> > > Still makes the sound between 2-2500 RPM's.
> > >
> > > Again, it sounds like a very muffled Oozy(spelling?) machine gun.
> > >
> > > I have listened thru the stethoscope all over the engine and this
is
> > > just what I hear - keep in mind I don't know what the F I'm
doing!!
> > > 1. Cyl 6 seems to tick louder than the rest
> > > 2. I can hear the tick thru the crank pulley bolt too - even after
> > > tightening to spec.
> > > 3. I can also hear it thru the oil pan.
> > >
> > > I haven't learned about the lower part of the engine yet so excuse
> me
> > if
> > > I sound totally stupid. I know it's probably time I started
> learning
> > > about rod bearings, etc. I'm tempted to take it in to the Ford
> Dealer
> > > (luckily I have a very cool local dealer and contact) to see if
they
> > can
> > > pinpoint what the noise is.
> > >
> > > Any feed back is appreciated - the thing is running really good,
am
> I
> > > being overly anal about this noise I'm hearing??
> > >
> > > Second question is this: When I did all this 60k work I cleaned
up
> > the
> > > underside of the engine really good (oil pan, trans, etc.). Now,
I
> > look
> > > underneath and have a very small oil leak. It looks as though it
is
> > > coming from between the rear (yes - drivers side :-)) connection
> > between
> > > the motor and trans. There is a gasket between these points that
I
> > can
> > > see and the leak (I mean a couple drips now and again) is coming
> > mostly
> > > from the bolt or above the bolt closest to the driver that
connects
> > the
> > > REAR end of the motor to the trans. Is there a rear gasket -
> > leak/weak
> > > point above there I should be concerned about? If so, what's the
> > > procedure and difficulty level?
> > >
> > > Thanks, and sorry for the long-winded post!
> > >
> > > Kerry Kinion
> > > '93 MTX - bone stock, 111k, fresh 60k (I think the 1st) done.
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