[Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak

Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:01:29 -0500

you take a piece of hose with a pressure guage on it that would read between
0-100 psi, unscrew the oil sending unit and feed the hose into the port. run
it up and take a look at what pressure you have. this will determine the
condition of the oil pump, bearings, crank etc. If the pressure is low, say
around 0-5 pounds or so at idle, then you have a situation to deal with. Im
sure some of these guys could give you an exact specification of the correct
psi.
Newmy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak


> Newmy,
>
> Tell me more - I've said it before and I'll say it again (OK quit
> laughing you guys) - I am not much of a mechanic but learning more all
> the time.  Please tell me specifics about how to get a good read on oil
> pressure with a manual gauge???
>
> Kerry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: -Newmy- [mailto:thenewmster@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:52 PM
> To: Kerry Kinion; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
> get a good read on your oil pressure.. through a manual guage...
> Newmy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
>
> > Car does not sound like it's out of time.  In fact it's been running
> > really good.  This is not to brag but I'm a rock and roll drummer as
> > well, so I may hear things beyond what is normal!  This ticking is
> > driving me nuts though!  Let me ask this - If it's a shim out of spec,
> > where is the best place to listen (thru stethoscope) for this.  I
> tried
> > the valve cover bolts and valve covers but still didn't feel like I
> had
> > a good read on where the sound was coming from.
> >
> > The crank bolt is definitely TQ'd, So what does leave to check?  If it
> > is deeper in the valves or bearings, how do you know what to do??  If
> a
> > bearing is bad is there a way to know for sure and could a bad bearing
> > or something be causing this symptom?
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:27 PM
> > To: Kerry Kinion
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> > Most likely it's not crank cancer.  That would effect the car
> throughout
> > the
> > entire rpm range.  And the car would sound like it's out of time.
> > Usually
> > it'll only happen if someone took the crank bolt off and never
> > re-torqued it
> > to it's proper torque.
> >
> > '95 MTX
> > Erik B.
> > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > http://mashomods.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> >
> >
> > > Ticking is definitely happening between 2000-3000 RPM's.  Not a
> tranny
> > > problem.  I can make it do it on command in neutral at about 2400
> > RPM's
> > > when I lightly accelerate.  Above about 3000 RPM's the thing sounds
> > fine
> > > - in fact it sounds like a bad ass SOB.  I hesitate to say where I
> > think
> > > the noise is coming from because I just can't isolate it yet.  I'm
> > still
> > > fearing crank cancer!  At the same time I am fearing the worst -
> that
> > > maybe I still have a shim out of spec. - If this is the case I'll be
> > > really pissed.  I spent hours making sure I was in spec.
> > >
> > > Thanks again to you Erik and to the list for helping and not being
> too
> > > hard on rookies like myself!!
> > >
> > > Josh Salaets might hook up with me in a day or two.  If he listens
> to
> > > this maybe he can help with the diagnosis and I'll keep you all
> filled
> > > in.  I know I can't be the first and only with this problem.
> > >
> > > Kerry Kinion
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:16 PM
> > > To: Kerry Kinion
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> > >
> > > If you only hear the tick at about 2500 rpm's then most likely the
> > > ticking
> > > isn't the fuel injectors.  Yeah I first noticed the ticking I
> thought
> > > something was wrong with my valve lash.  I still haven't gotten
> around
> > > to
> > > the valve lash adjustment yet, because of the cost for renting the
> > tools
> > > and
> > > shims.  Overall the majority of the SHO's I know about weren't very
> > far
> > > out
> > > of spec if any even after 120K miles or so.  As far as blowouts
> > blowing
> > > something in the tranny? most likely not, or if it did you'd know.
> > The
> > > injectors will tick faster as the rpm's go up as they are firing
> more
> > > often
> > > to supply fuel for the higher rpm's so sometimes you can lose the
> > sound
> > > of
> > > them over the engine noise as the rpm's increase. Does the noise
> only
> > > happen
> > > in 2nd gear?  Put the e-brake on and set the car in neutral.. rev
> the
> > > car up
> > > to 2500 or 3000 rpms or so to see if you still hear the noise.  If
> you
> > > only
> > > hear it while in gear it definitely could be a tranny problem.
> Where
> > > does
> > > the noise sound like it's coming from? the valve covers? try to
> > pinpoint
> > > the
> > > noise more to a general area after you try the other thing i just
> > > suggested.
> > > I know it's not easy narrowing some noises down to an area. let me
> > know
> > > if
> > > you can hear the sound when the car is reved up in neutral.. that
> > should
> > > help narrow the problem down a little.
> > >
> > > '95 MTX
> > > Erik B.
> > > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > > http://mashomods.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > > To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@charter.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:43 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> > >
> > >
> > > Dude,
> > >
> > > Yes,MTX.  I was way off wasn't I?  Hope to meet you one of these
> days
> > > anyway.  The thing is I don't hear the noise at idle.  Idle sounds
> > > great.  It's when I shift into 2nd gear(or just push throttle up to
> > > about 2500rpm), just barely accelerate to about 2500 RPM's that I
> hear
> > > it.  Could the burnouts have blown something in the trans.?  Just
> got
> > > your latest warning message!  It was fun seeing the power that
> Yamaha
> > > has - but your heads up is warning is heeded and appreciated!  I
> want
> > to
> > > go to a Quaife too, just can't afford it right now.  I definitely
> > notice
> > > the one-sided torque pull on the steering without it.
> > >
> > > Do the injectors make a ticking noise at higher than idle?  When you
> > say
> > > you didn't notice your injectors ticking for a long time - when you
> > did,
> > > did you think something was wrong?  Thanks for your help and input -
> > > REALLY!
> > >
> > > Kerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:30 AM
> > > To: Kerry Kinion
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> > >
> > > No I'm out in Massachusetts.   Wish i could take a look at it for
> you.
> > > The
> > > injectors make a ticking noise they you can definitely hear at idle.
> > > Maybe
> > > you are noticing that noise for the first time since you may be
> > worried
> > > you
> > > did something wrong?  Just an idea and I never noticed my injectors
> > > ticking
> > > for a long time.
> > >
> > > '95 MTX
> > > Erik B.
> > > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > > http://mashomods.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > > To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@charter.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:18 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Eric,
> > >
> > > Are you in Corvallis- or am I totally mistaken??  I just want
> somebody
> > > who knows the SHO to listen to what I'm hearing and tell me if I
> > should
> > > worry or not.  And, if I should worry, what I need to do??  The oil
> > leak
> > > is 2nd priority - the machine gun sound is the first!
> > >
> > > Kerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:47 PM
> > > To: Kerry Kinion; Shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> > >
> > > There is a oil seal called the rear main seal where the tranny and
> > motor
> > > connect.  Actually where the tranny bolts up to the engine is where
> > the
> > > flywheel sits and behind that the rear main seal.  This is a common
> > oil
> > > leak
> > > point and is most likely where you oil is coming from.  The
> > > transmission,
> > > flywheel, etc. must come out to replace this seal.
> > >
> > > '95 MTX
> > > Erik B.
> > > http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> > > http://mashomods.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:09 AM
> > > Subject: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I wrote in previously about a strange ticking noise that has
> started
> > > > after I did the 60k service.  I'm (OK - going out on a limb here)
> > sure
> > > I
> > > > got the valve shims back to spec. - checked about three times
> before
> > > > putting the thing back together!
> > > >
> > > > Got George's message and read FAQ about crank cancer - This could
> be
> > > the
> > > > problem??
> > > >
> > > > Borrowed an automotive stethoscope from a friend, but I don't
> claim
> > to
> > > > know what I am hearing thru the thing.  1st step was I removed RF
> > > > wheel/well/etc. and TQ'd crank bolt to spec(actually past a little
> > > bit).
> > > > Still makes the sound between 2-2500 RPM's.
> > > >
> > > > Again, it sounds like a very muffled Oozy(spelling?) machine gun.
> > > >
> > > > I have listened thru the stethoscope all over the engine and this
> is
> > > > just what I hear - keep in mind I don't know what the F I'm
> doing!!
> > > > 1.  Cyl 6 seems to tick louder than the rest
> > > > 2. I can hear the tick thru the crank pulley bolt too - even after
> > > > tightening to spec.
> > > > 3. I can also hear it thru the oil pan.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't learned about the lower part of the engine yet so excuse
> > me
> > > if
> > > > I sound totally stupid.  I know it's probably time I started
> > learning
> > > > about rod bearings, etc.  I'm tempted to take it in to the Ford
> > Dealer
> > > > (luckily I have a very cool local dealer and contact) to see if
> they
> > > can
> > > > pinpoint what the noise is.
> > > >
> > > > Any feed back is appreciated - the thing is running really good,
> am
> > I
> > > > being overly anal about this noise I'm hearing??
> > > >
> > > > Second question is this:  When I did all this 60k work I cleaned
> up
> > > the
> > > > underside of the engine really good (oil pan, trans, etc.).  Now,
> I
> > > look
> > > > underneath and have a very small oil leak.  It looks as though it
> is
> > > > coming from between the rear (yes - drivers side :-)) connection
> > > between
> > > > the motor and trans.  There is a gasket between these points that
> I
> > > can
> > > > see and the leak (I mean a couple drips now and again) is coming
> > > mostly
> > > > from the bolt or above the bolt closest to the driver that
> connects
> > > the
> > > > REAR end of the motor to the trans.  Is there a rear gasket -
> > > leak/weak
> > > > point above there I should be concerned about?  If so, what's the
> > > > procedure and difficulty level?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, and sorry for the long-winded post!
> > > >
> > > > Kerry Kinion
> > > > '93 MTX - bone stock, 111k, fresh 60k (I think the 1st) done.
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