[Shotimes] rod bearings

Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:26:19 -0500

 and IF the crank was "somehow" (very,
> very unlikely) out-of-spec, whaddya gonna do about it? The car ran for
years
> with standard bearings, put standard bearings in it.
>
What if the journal is worn? Are you gonna put in standard bearings if the
journal is worn?
What kind of oil pressure do you think your gonna get if you do that? NOT
MUCH
And if the motor was knocking, theres NO WAY the journal dosent have wear on
it...
I've machined about four of my own cranks .
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'Kerry Kinion'" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] rod bearings


> Kerry,
>
> 1. Don't waste your time with the Plastigauge!!! It is not really meant to
> be used with an engine in that position (it should be on an engine stand),
> and if you have never used it before, it will take you more time, and
> probably give you erroneous results that will make you crazy. Besides, as
> Paul says, IF you got good results, and IF the crank was "somehow" (very,
> very unlikely) out-of-spec, whaddya gonna do about it? The car ran for
years
> with standard bearings, put standard bearings in it.
>
> 2.  Forget anything about non-standard bearings....they are NOT relevant
to
> what you are doing, and have NOTHING to do with how loud, or how worn the
> current bearings are.
>
> Put in standard bearings and be done with it!! There is enough other stuff
> that will break on your SHO and empty your wallet before you have to worry
> about the bearings again.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Kerry Kinion
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:34 AM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
>
> Let me get this straight - are you guys saying that non-standard size
> bearings are not available?  Or, is it just not worth the trouble of
> doing the plastigage thing?  Are you saying if I stick standard sized
> bearings in the noise will probably go away?  And all will be fine - for
> awhile??
>
> Help! - before I go diving into this thing!!
>
> Kerry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:sho@paul-fisher.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:35 PM
> To: Bruce Malachuk
> Cc: Paul Chapin; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
> My philosophy was that I wasn't planning on pulling the motor out to
> redo the
> crank so I just slapped in some stock sized bearings and started it up.
> If it
> spins, it spins.
>
> The question I have, if you plastigauge the new bearings and find them
> out of
> spec, what are you going to do?
>
> Paul L Fisher
> '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 172K Build date 11/18/1992
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> Stainless Steel Y-pipe, Delrin sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000
> 0W-30
> oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
>
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> Quoting Bruce Malachuk <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>:
>
> > Just outta curiosity, in replacing the rod bearings if one does it as
> a
> > "preventative action" do you need to worry about different sized
> bearing
> > sets?
> >
> > I'm a little confused now, whereas before this topic came up I wasn't.
> I've
> > been thinking about doing these on my car just cause I like to get on
> it a
> > little to much. Plus the previous owner was one to "lug" the car in
> 5th
> > gear
> > at really low RPMs.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Chapin" <pchapin@houston.rr.com>
> > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
> >
> >
> > > Many people have had success with just replacing the bearings on the
> SHO
> > if
> > > caught before they spin and do damage to the crank. I have not seen
> > anyone
> > > post that they have had any problems with replacing the bearings
> before
> > they
> > > spin. When at the point of knocking it is a gamble as to how long
> > replacing
> > > the bearings will last. If the crank is damaged then you have to
> pull the
> > > engine to remove the crank. You are now at the point of needing to
> do a
> > > complete overhaul to make it worth the effort. This if done
> correctly
> > gets
> > > in the $6,000 range really quickly. Not many SHO's are worth $6,000
> so
> > that
> > > is why most just replace the bearings if they catch it before damage
> > occurs,
> > > about a $100 job. A lot who don't catch the problem in time are
> buying
> > used
> > > motors because of the high cost of a complete rebuild.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "-Newmy-" <thenewmster@shaw.ca>
> > > To: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>;
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
> > >
> > >
> > > > Automatically you should be pulling the crank, machining it, and
> > > installing
> > > > the matching bearings.
> > > > ie-> .010 under on the crank,= .010 over on the bearings.
> Otherwise
> > your
> > > > just looking at alot of wasted  time for nothing. Cranks, rods and
> > > bearings
> > > > all have a very, very close tolerence. I've had it happen before
> where
> > > > installing fresh bearings onto a crank or rod journal that wasnt
> even
> > > making
> > > > noise, ends up knocking due to the 3 or 4 thousandths of an inch
> from
> > not
> > > > machining accordingly. And with the time it would take you to put
> in
> > new
> > > > bearings anyways, the little extra time is far, far worth it..
> > > > Newmy
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