[Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the intake)
Ron Porter
ronporter@prodigy.net
Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:32:47 -0400
As Paul put it, they only care about fuel mileage when they run the test
vehicles through the EPA testing process.
The fleet average has nothing to do with the cars that come down the line,
it's set by the test vehicles and the # of vehicles sold with that
mileage/emissions calibration.
Also, as other folks have mentioned, the post-production process takes a
couple of minutes at most for an engine. The mfrs will not spend the $$$ to
do engine break-ins. In talking with my Ford buddies, it is amazing what
they go through to save pennies on every vehicle. One of the more
disheartening stories was the one I heard a few years back about the quality
of brakes that went on the (then new) Town Car. Since Ford can get drum
brakes for pennies less than disk brakes, many vehicles still have drums on
the rear.
The minor difference in performance is not worth their cost to break-in
engines, as well as any minor change in gas mileage. IMHO, gas mileage is
affected more by driving and maintenance (as in tire pressure) techniques,
anyway.
John, you are trying to think logically, and you are looking at what is in
the best interest of the automotive consumer......FOOL!! ;-) (j/k!!)
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM
To: Ron Porter; 'Paul Nimz'; 'SHOtimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting the
intake)
Why wouldn't the car manufacturers care about fuel mileage? Aren't
environmentalists, and the Govt. always trying to get the fleet average
raised. It seems like such a simple way to increase the mileage and
performance. The consumers would appreciate that.
Revised manufacturing process, materials, or maybe even revised break-in oil
could make them rings work better without increasing manufacturing costs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting the
intake)
> Good point.
>
> And I'll bet the EPA test vehicle engines have been "massaged" a bit
> themselves.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:36 AM
> To: 'SHOtimes'
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the
> intake)
>
>
> But manufacturers don't care about mileage or performance of the car
> produced. Only on their test mules for the EPA and the lawyers
> association.....
>
> Paul Nimz
> '97 TR
> '93 EG mtx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
> To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the
> intake)
>
>
> > If improved ring sealing really does happen with this procedure then the
> > auto manufactures should be able to devise an at the factory procedure
> that
> > will provide the same results. The improved performance, i.e. better
> > compression or whatever, should also boost fuel mileage and lower
> emissions.
> > I can't beileve that the manufacturers would not take advantage of that!
> >
> > John W.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > To: "'John Weidenbenner'" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:45 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > Too many variables for owners to follow, and it encourages driving that
is
> > not the "norm", hence liability issues. Also, I doubt they really care
> > whether someone gets the last few HP out of their engine, since most of
> the
> > driving population never gets beyond 1/2 throttle, anyway.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: SHOtimes
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > It's in the message below.
> >
> > I wonder why the auto manufactures do not recommend this simple secret
to
> > ring
> > sealing?
> >
> > John W.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Weidenbenner
> > To: Ron Childs ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > I don't understand what those photos mean? A scientific report, not an
> > infomercial. Isn't he trying to sell a magazine?
> >
> > John W.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron Childs
> > To: John Weidenbenner ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> Interesting...porting
> > the intake)
> >
> >
> > They presented pictures of pistons/rings that were treated equally
> > except
> > for the different break-in methods. What kind of proof would you be
> looking
> > for?
> >
> > -Ron Childs
> >
> >
> > John Weidenbenner <johnjweid@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > The motortune guy offers no proof of his theory. I consider it
only
> an
> > opioion without any scientific proof. The atricle is worthless.
> >
> > John W.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris "Zap""
> >
> >
> > > http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
> > >
> > > Saw this a while ago.... very interesting article on break in
for
> > engines
> > of
> > > all kinds!
> > >
> > > ~Chris
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Weidenbenner"
> > >
> > > > What difference does that make? Looser bearings? More or less
> > > > sealing/friction of the piston rings? "Bedding" in the engine
> > block
> > (like
> > > > making the brakes work "better")?
> > > >
> > > > John W.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Paul Nimz"
> > > >
> > > > > I think it is in how the motor is broke in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Nimz
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