[Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the intake)
John Weidenbenner
johnjweid@earthlink.net
Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:22:36 -0500
Thanks for including the happy face. ;>)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'John Weidenbenner'" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'Paul Nimz'"
<niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting the
intake)
> As Paul put it, they only care about fuel mileage when they run the test
> vehicles through the EPA testing process.
>
> The fleet average has nothing to do with the cars that come down the line,
> it's set by the test vehicles and the # of vehicles sold with that
> mileage/emissions calibration.
>
> Also, as other folks have mentioned, the post-production process takes a
> couple of minutes at most for an engine. The mfrs will not spend the $$$
to
> do engine break-ins. In talking with my Ford buddies, it is amazing what
> they go through to save pennies on every vehicle. One of the more
> disheartening stories was the one I heard a few years back about the
quality
> of brakes that went on the (then new) Town Car. Since Ford can get drum
> brakes for pennies less than disk brakes, many vehicles still have drums
on
> the rear.
>
> The minor difference in performance is not worth their cost to break-in
> engines, as well as any minor change in gas mileage. IMHO, gas mileage is
> affected more by driving and maintenance (as in tire pressure) techniques,
> anyway.
>
> John, you are trying to think logically, and you are looking at what is in
> the best interest of the automotive consumer......FOOL!! ;-) (j/k!!)
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM
> To: Ron Porter; 'Paul Nimz'; 'SHOtimes'
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the
> intake)
>
>
> Why wouldn't the car manufacturers care about fuel mileage? Aren't
> environmentalists, and the Govt. always trying to get the fleet average
> raised. It seems like such a simple way to increase the mileage and
> performance. The consumers would appreciate that.
>
> Revised manufacturing process, materials, or maybe even revised break-in
oil
> could make them rings work better without increasing manufacturing costs.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the
> intake)
>
>
> > Good point.
> >
> > And I'll bet the EPA test vehicle engines have been "massaged" a bit
> > themselves.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:36 AM
> > To: 'SHOtimes'
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > But manufacturers don't care about mileage or performance of the car
> > produced. Only on their test mules for the EPA and the lawyers
> > association.....
> >
> > Paul Nimz
> > '97 TR
> > '93 EG mtx
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
> > To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > > If improved ring sealing really does happen with this procedure then
the
> > > auto manufactures should be able to devise an at the factory procedure
> > that
> > > will provide the same results. The improved performance, i.e. better
> > > compression or whatever, should also boost fuel mileage and lower
> > emissions.
> > > I can't beileve that the manufacturers would not take advantage of
that!
> > >
> > > John W.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'John Weidenbenner'" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:45 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > Too many variables for owners to follow, and it encourages driving
that
> is
> > > not the "norm", hence liability issues. Also, I doubt they really care
> > > whether someone gets the last few HP out of their engine, since most
of
> > the
> > > driving population never gets beyond 1/2 throttle, anyway.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > To: SHOtimes
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > It's in the message below.
> > >
> > > I wonder why the auto manufactures do not recommend this simple secret
> to
> > > ring
> > > sealing?
> > >
> > > John W.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Weidenbenner
> > > To: Ron Childs ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> Interesting...porting
> > > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't understand what those photos mean? A scientific report, not
an
> > > infomercial. Isn't he trying to sell a magazine?
> > >
> > > John W.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ron Childs
> > > To: John Weidenbenner ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> > Interesting...porting
> > > the intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > They presented pictures of pistons/rings that were treated equally
> > > except
> > > for the different break-in methods. What kind of proof would you be
> > looking
> > > for?
> > >
> > > -Ron Childs
> > >
> > >
> > > John Weidenbenner <johnjweid@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > The motortune guy offers no proof of his theory. I consider it
> only
> > an
> > > opioion without any scientific proof. The atricle is worthless.
> > >
> > > John W.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris "Zap""
> > >
> > >
> > > > http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
> > > >
> > > > Saw this a while ago.... very interesting article on break in
> for
> > > engines
> > > of
> > > > all kinds!
> > > >
> > > > ~Chris
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Weidenbenner"
> > > >
> > > > > What difference does that make? Looser bearings? More or
less
> > > > > sealing/friction of the piston rings? "Bedding" in the
engine
> > > block
> > > (like
> > > > > making the brakes work "better")?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Paul Nimz"
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is in how the motor is broke in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Nimz
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