[Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the intake)
Ron Porter
ronporter@prodigy.net
Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:05:05 -0400
One other thing, too. The mfrs are liable for emissions on ANY car they
build until 50K miles, IIRC. IMHO, I do not believe the "correct" break-in
(as I like to call it) will affect emissions very much, if at all.
The only mileage requirements are through the EPA test mules. Besides, the
general population are idiots, anyway (coming from the humble person I
am......NOT!!!!), so real-world mileage is always a crapshoot.
To spend the $$$ to do a correct break-in really has no payback for them (or
the stockholders).
Semi-unrelated to the topic, but Ford does a 20-mile test of random vehicles
coming off the assembly line (but it is not done for break-in purposes). If
you get one of these cars, I understand that is has some paperwork
indicating that it was done. These could be the cars to look for if you are
buying a new vehicle.
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:44 PM
To: 'SHOtimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting the
intake)
As with 99% of corporate America, what they say and what they do are two
different things. Of course as a PR angle they want the best fuel mileage
and cleanest air. But in reality if a car is out of spec it is an expense
to them. All improvements or extras are weighed against the balance sheet.
Paul Nimz
'97 TR
'93 EG mtx
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
"'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting the
intake)
> Why wouldn't the car manufacturers care about fuel mileage? Aren't
> environmentalists, and the Govt. always trying to get the fleet average
> raised. It seems like such a simple way to increase the mileage and
> performance. The consumers would appreciate that.
>
> Revised manufacturing process, materials, or maybe even revised break-in
oil
> could make them rings work better without increasing manufacturing costs.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the
> intake)
>
>
> > Good point.
> >
> > And I'll bet the EPA test vehicle engines have been "massaged" a bit
> > themselves.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:36 AM
> > To: 'SHOtimes'
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > But manufacturers don't care about mileage or performance of the car
> > produced. Only on their test mules for the EPA and the lawyers
> > association.....
> >
> > Paul Nimz
> > '97 TR
> > '93 EG mtx
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
> > To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > > If improved ring sealing really does happen with this procedure then
the
> > > auto manufactures should be able to devise an at the factory procedure
> > that
> > > will provide the same results. The improved performance, i.e. better
> > > compression or whatever, should also boost fuel mileage and lower
> > emissions.
> > > I can't beileve that the manufacturers would not take advantage of
that!
> > >
> > > John W.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'John Weidenbenner'" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:45 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > Too many variables for owners to follow, and it encourages driving
that
> is
> > > not the "norm", hence liability issues. Also, I doubt they really care
> > > whether someone gets the last few HP out of their engine, since most
of
> > the
> > > driving population never gets beyond 1/2 throttle, anyway.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > To: SHOtimes
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > It's in the message below.
> > >
> > > I wonder why the auto manufactures do not recommend this simple secret
> to
> > > ring
> > > sealing?
> > >
> > > John W.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Weidenbenner
> > > To: Ron Childs ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> Interesting...porting
> > > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't understand what those photos mean? A scientific report, not
an
> > > infomercial. Isn't he trying to sell a magazine?
> > >
> > > John W.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ron Childs
> > > To: John Weidenbenner ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> > Interesting...porting
> > > the intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > They presented pictures of pistons/rings that were treated equally
> > > except
> > > for the different break-in methods. What kind of proof would you be
> > looking
> > > for?
> > >
> > > -Ron Childs
> > >
> > >
> > > John Weidenbenner <johnjweid@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > The motortune guy offers no proof of his theory. I consider it
> only
> > an
> > > opioion without any scientific proof. The atricle is worthless.
> > >
> > > John W.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris "Zap""
> > >
> > >
> > > > http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
> > > >
> > > > Saw this a while ago.... very interesting article on break in
> for
> > > engines
> > > of
> > > > all kinds!
> > > >
> > > > ~Chris
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Weidenbenner"
> > > >
> > > > > What difference does that make? Looser bearings? More or
less
> > > > > sealing/friction of the piston rings? "Bedding" in the
engine
> > > block
> > > (like
> > > > > making the brakes work "better")?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Paul Nimz"
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is in how the motor is broke in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Nimz
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