[Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the intake)
John Weidenbenner
johnjweid@earthlink.net
Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:13:58 -0500
Paul,
My sources say that it's only 97% of corporate America.
John W.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nimz" <niks@dlogue.net>
To: "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting the
intake)
> As with 99% of corporate America, what they say and what they do are two
> different things. Of course as a PR angle they want the best fuel mileage
> and cleanest air. But in reality if a car is out of spec it is an expense
> to them. All improvements or extras are weighed against the balance
sheet.
>
> Paul Nimz
> '97 TR
> '93 EG mtx
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
> To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
> "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
the
> intake)
>
>
> > Why wouldn't the car manufacturers care about fuel mileage? Aren't
> > environmentalists, and the Govt. always trying to get the fleet average
> > raised. It seems like such a simple way to increase the mileage and
> > performance. The consumers would appreciate that.
> >
> > Revised manufacturing process, materials, or maybe even revised break-in
> oil
> > could make them rings work better without increasing manufacturing
costs.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS: Interesting...porting
> the
> > intake)
> >
> >
> > > Good point.
> > >
> > > And I'll bet the EPA test vehicle engines have been "massaged" a bit
> > > themselves.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:36 AM
> > > To: 'SHOtimes'
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > But manufacturers don't care about mileage or performance of the car
> > > produced. Only on their test mules for the EPA and the lawyers
> > > association.....
> > >
> > > Paul Nimz
> > > '97 TR
> > > '93 EG mtx
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
Interesting...porting
> > the
> > > intake)
> > >
> > >
> > > > If improved ring sealing really does happen with this procedure then
> the
> > > > auto manufactures should be able to devise an at the factory
procedure
> > > that
> > > > will provide the same results. The improved performance, i.e. better
> > > > compression or whatever, should also boost fuel mileage and lower
> > > emissions.
> > > > I can't beileve that the manufacturers would not take advantage of
> that!
> > > >
> > > > John W.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > To: "'John Weidenbenner'" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:45 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> Interesting...porting
> > > the
> > > > intake)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Too many variables for owners to follow, and it encourages driving
> that
> > is
> > > > not the "norm", hence liability issues. Also, I doubt they really
care
> > > > whether someone gets the last few HP out of their engine, since most
> of
> > > the
> > > > driving population never gets beyond 1/2 throttle, anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > > To: SHOtimes
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> Interesting...porting
> > > the
> > > > intake)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's in the message below.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder why the auto manufactures do not recommend this simple
secret
> > to
> > > > ring
> > > > sealing?
> > > >
> > > > John W.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: John Weidenbenner
> > > > To: Ron Childs ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> > Interesting...porting
> > > > the
> > > > intake)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand what those photos mean? A scientific report,
not
> an
> > > > infomercial. Isn't he trying to sell a magazine?
> > > >
> > > > John W.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ron Childs
> > > > To: John Weidenbenner ; Chris Zap ; SHOtimes
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Engine Break In (WAS:
> > > Interesting...porting
> > > > the intake)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They presented pictures of pistons/rings that were treated
equally
> > > > except
> > > > for the different break-in methods. What kind of proof would you be
> > > looking
> > > > for?
> > > >
> > > > -Ron Childs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Weidenbenner <johnjweid@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > The motortune guy offers no proof of his theory. I consider it
> > only
> > > an
> > > > opioion without any scientific proof. The atricle is
worthless.
> > > >
> > > > John W.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chris "Zap""
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Saw this a while ago.... very interesting article on break
in
> > for
> > > > engines
> > > > of
> > > > > all kinds!
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Chris
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Weidenbenner"
> > > > >
> > > > > > What difference does that make? Looser bearings? More or
> less
> > > > > > sealing/friction of the piston rings? "Bedding" in the
> engine
> > > > block
> > > > (like
> > > > > > making the brakes work "better")?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Paul Nimz"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it is in how the motor is broke in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Nimz
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