I took some off with rubbing alcohol and a rag. I think it works much better than with soap, but it still takes some time because you have to do it spot by spot. >realized that my black 93 is just littered with sap droppings from the tree >above it _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail