[Shotimes] subframe bolts torque

Donald Mallinson dmall@mwonline.net
Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:05:09 -0600 

Mike,

Is there any chance this noise is more like the noise you 
get from a plastic straw pulled up and down in the plastic 
lid of a soft drink?

If so, the culprit is the ROD shifter slide mechanism under 
the car.  The noise happens when you get on and off the gas, 
even the slightest amount.

Go under the car, find the shifter box hanging down under 
the console, Look up and you will see the slide mechanism. 
This gets dry/dirty.  Spray it down with WD-40 or something 
similar to CLEAN it, and then spray with a lithium grease or 
something that will stick to keep it lubed for a while. 
This will need to be done about every year on a car driven 
regularly.

Don Mallinson

Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> Well, last night going home from work I really paid attention to
> when it made the noise and what I was doing at the time.  It does
> sometimes do it when turning, but it's pretty quiet.  It's very loud
> when going straight and shifting gears.
> 
> So I guess it could be the strut mount or spring afterall.  I suppose
> I should never have doubted you guys.  : )  I have to do something
> with the springs soon here, so I'll find out one way or another.
> 
> 
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
> 
> -'95 White MTX
>    '96 Brake Upgrade
> 
> Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/12/2003 03:13:56 AM:
> 
> 
>>LOL I got pissed off at my Opal and just bought all new Moog front end
>>stuff, but then never got to put some of it on. LCA's with ball joints,
>>inner and outter tie rod ends, front sway links (got them on the car). 
> 
> Come
> 
>>spring it's new springs and struts, new TPR all around, PC'd subframe, 
> 
> and
> 
>>anything else I might be able to replace in the suspension.
>>
>>Here is an off the wall thought as to the noise. Engine dampener 
> 
> failure?
> 
>>Don't gas charged thing like that make wier noises when they are toast.
>>Under acceleration might make enough noise to reverb into the pass 
> 
> cabin.
> 
>>I'm outta ideas :-) 
>>
>>
>>Bruce Malachuk
>>
>>94 Opal Frost MTX 
>>
>>93 Green MTX winter beater
>>
>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
>>
>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net 
> 
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> 
>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:25 PM
>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
>>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
>>
>>Yeah, well, I have a clunking too.  That's probably the end links.  I 
> 
> added
> 
>>that to the ever-growing list.  ; )
>>
>>
>>Mike Wojton
>>Toledo, Ohio
>>
>>-'95 White MTX
>>   '96 Brake Upgrade
>>
>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/11/2003 02:21:05 
> 
> PM:
> 
>>>I had a clunking noise from my front sway link after I got my AL sfb's
>>
>>on
>>
>>>the car. Turns out the ball was popping outta the socket. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruce Malachuk
>>>
>>>94 Opal Frost MTX
>>>
>>>93 Green MTX winter beater
>>>
>>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
>>>
>>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>>
>>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
>>
>>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:37 PM
>>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
>>>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
>>>
>>>I know it's not a broken spring.  Among other things, I changed struts
>>
>>this
>>
>>>summer, so I know they're not.  I changed mounts too.
>>>With all the height I gained in the front end, I don't think it's the
>>
>>strut
>>
>>>mounts.  Besides, it doesn't do it when turning, just when Starting 
>>>from
>>
>>a
>>
>>>dead stop and when shifting gears.  It sounds like it's coming from 
>>>the passenger side.  Had that motor mount replaced but that wasn't it. 
> 
>  
> 
>>>I'll check subframe bolts.  The only things I didn't change this 
>>>summer was
>>
>>sway
>>
>>>bar end links and bushings.  Don't think it could be them though.  But 
> 
> 
>>>maybe.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Wojton
>>>Toledo, Ohio
>>>
>>>-'95 White MTX
>>>   '96 Brake Upgrade
>>>
>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 12/11/2003 12:08:19 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I had a groanimg noise in my 93 when new. There was a TSB the adds a
>>>
>>>spacer
>>>
>>>>between the strut tower and strut assy. This eliminated the rubbing 
>>>>interference and the noise.
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes the spring will twist and chatter when turning and is
>>>
>>>sometimes
>>>
>>>>cured for a while by greasing the spring ends and rubber mates.
>>>>
>>>>Look for a broken spring.
>>>>
>>>>John W.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>
>>>>To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:38 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well I haven't replaced them.  I'm trying to track down a horrid 
>>>>>groaning noise I hear coming from the front end.  Just had a motor 
> 
> 
>>>>>mount replaced and that wasn't it.  The subframe was out when the 
>>>>>clutch was replaced this past summer and I never went back to 
>>>>>check the torque on the bolts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike Wojton
>>>>>Toledo, Ohio
>>>>>
>>>>>-'95 White MTX
>>>>>   '96 Brake Upgrade
>>>>>
>>>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/11/2003
>>>>>11:10:09
>>>
>>>AM:
>>>
>>>>>>No problem. Hehe but you need some AL SFB's, everyone needs AL 
>>>>>>SFB's
>>>
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>>>>Make sure that you recheck the TQ on the subframe bolts after
>>>
>>>driving
>>>
>>>>>around
>>>>>
>>>>>>for a week or so. I have seen instances where stock, delrin, and
>>>>>
>>>>>aluminum
>>>>>
>>>>>>bushings have the SF bolts loosen up a little after driving
>>
>>around. 
>>
>>>They
>>>
>>>>>>loosen after settling into place, so about 200 miles is a good
>>>
>>>number to
>>>
>>>>>>re-TQ the bolts. Just like lugnuts, which reminds me I gotta 
>>>>>>re-TQ
>>>
>>>my
>>>
>>>>>snow
>>>>>
>>>>>>rims
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bruce Malachuk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>94 Opal Frost MTX
>>>>>>
>>>>>>93 Green MTX winter beater
>>>>>>
>>>>>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>>>>>
>>>>>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:48 AM
>>>>>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
>>>>>>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, stock.  Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike Wojton
>>>>>>Toledo, Ohio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-'95 White MTX
>>>>>>   '96 Brake Upgrade
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/11/2003
>>>
>>>10:44:05
>>>
>>>>>AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yup. Less your doing AL SFB's then I tq them down to 100-110 
>>>>>>>ft/lb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bruce Malachuk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>94 Opal Frost MTX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>93 Green MTX winter beater
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:16 AM
>>>>>>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
>>>>>>>Subject: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's the torque spec for the rear subframe bolts?  My 
>>>>>>>service cd only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the front, at 55-75 ft/lbs.  The same?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike Wojton
>>>>>>>Toledo, Ohio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-'95 White MTX
>>>>>>>   '96 Brake Upgrade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
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