[Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster

Paul L Fisher sho@paul-fisher.com
Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:27:49 -0600 

I think the reason why more people are bothered by 7 people dying on the
shuttle is this.

Let's say I work at Ford Motor Company. Even though I am one of 100,000 or
more employees, if someone that works at Ford dies tragically, I am more
personally affected.

I know you are thinking, what does this have to do with the shuttle?

Well, I think Americans are affected because these 7 people worked for us
and were acting as our agents when they died. As you stated, the 40 people
in Zimbabwe are more than the 7 in the shuttle, however, if Americans were
on the train or the train was carrying someone deemed "important" by the
media, it would have been more of a tragedy.

Paul L Fisher
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Noah South III" <raggtopp@comcast.net>
To: "SHOTimes-Mailing List" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster


> I'm nit picking here, so don't take this too seriously, but the fact that
an
> Indian woman and an Israeli man were on board has ZERO bearing on why
anyone
> should care.  It was a sucky thing that happened, I'm sorry people died,
but
> that's about it.
>
> A good example of my original point, is when I read today's paper I found
4
> pages in the front page section that were titled "Columbia Tragedy," and
> then in "rest of the world" section I read an article about a train crash
> where 40 people were killed and 60 injured in Zimbabwe.  This is EXACTLY
> what pisses me off.  I only really care about what effects me, it's the
only
> real way to live my life.  I could pretend to care about the shuttle
> disaster, and tell everyone around me how sad I am for these people killed
> so I could look like I care.  But I don't, I neither do MILLIONS of people
> in this country that are right now pretending to care, so they look like
> caring individuals.  I hate these people.  I know this is coming off as a
> flame, which is something I try to avoid doing, but making an OT post to a
> mailing list and saying how sorry you are for these people has NO POINT
> other than to try and make yourself look like you're a caring individual.
> If you really did care, you wouldn't need to tell everyone about it,
because
> that wouldn't matter.  It's choosing to care when it's convenient, because
> if you REALLY did care about pain and suffering of EVERYONE in the world,
> you would never have time for anything else, because you would always be
in
> mourning.  So why not just spend the time caring about things that matter,
> things that effect YOUR life.  And if something effects my life, that I
care
> about, I'm not going to expect anyone else to care but me, because they
have
> no reason to care.
>
> Just watch some tragedy befall me, or something I'm part of.  How long do
> you think it will take to me start attacking the pity hounds that claim
that
> they care, but really just want to be part of the tragedy.  Cough
> Cough.....Columbine....Cough Cough.
>
> Here, someone else take this soapbox from me.
>
> -Noah South III
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "'Noah South III'" <raggtopp@comcast.net>; "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
>
>
> > Noah
> > While I agree with your sentiments that all human lives are precious and
> > that it is sad for anyone to die in any manner, I believe that there was
> > a more eloquent way of saying what you said. I never once claimed that
> > the lives of the 7 astronauts was any more precious than those who have
> > died senselessly around the world. Space shuttle missions are always a
> > media event and therefore are usually very prominent in the public eye.
> > When a disaster like this happens, people tend to take notice. Whether
> > or not people should or do pay more attention to certain events than
> > others is a huge philosophical discussion based upon many variables that
> > aren't very easy to discuss on a car forum and probably shouldn't be
> > either.
> >
> > Keep in mind that there was an Indian woman and an Israeli on board that
> > shuttle as well. I feel for them just as much as I feel for everyone
> > else who was on board.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Noah South III
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:27 PM
> > To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
> >
> >
> > Ok, this has to be said.  Who fucking cares, a life is a life.  Are you
> > telling me that there is something special about these 7 people that we
> > should mourn for them and not others?  How about all the people that get
> > killed by bombings, and terrorist acts half-way across the world?  I
> > never see anyone posting anything about them?  I never see anyone saying
> > how THAT is a tragedy?  But it didn't happen here, so it's not important
> > is it? Respect?  I think there's less respect in people that single out
> > the lives that are important based on where they live.
> >
> > -Noah South III
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> > To: "Lee Kelsoe" <the_big_sho@phobia.net>; "Paul L Fisher"
> > <sho@paul-fisher.com>; "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
> >
> >
> > > wow, where do you live? I never heard anyone make jokes about that.
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > > yes I realized that i had mis-said that.....I meant ot say "it has
> > > been
> > > > ALMOST 17
> > > > years to the day".....Space Shuttle Challenger blew up on January
> > > > 28, 1986...I'm just waiting to see how long it will be till the
> > > > jerks and a$$holes come out and start with the shuttle jokes.....I
> > > > think I
> > > heard the
> > > > first one about Challenger approximately 6 hours after it
> > > happened.....some
> > > > people have no respect....
> > > >
> > > > -the kelsoe
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
> > > > To: "Lee Kelsoe" <the_big_sho@phobia.net>; "SHOtimes"
> > > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 11:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Actually, January 28th would have been 17 years to the day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul L Fisher
> > > > > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 171K Build date
> > > > > 11/18/1992
> > > > > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax
> > cat-back,
> > > > Holley
> > > > > 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
> > > > > Performance-
> > > Plus
> > > > > Stainless Steel Y-pipe, Delrin sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series
> > > 2000
> > > > 0W-30
> > > > > oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
> > > > > '00 Ford Explorer XLT 5.0L V8 AWD Oxford White Clearcoat 41K Build
> > > date
> > > > > 11/19/1999
> > > > > - Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, K&N Fuel Injection Performance Kit
> > > > >
> > > > > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > > > > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
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> > > > >
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> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Lee Kelsoe" <the_big_sho@phobia.net>
> > > > > To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 9:36 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > if nobody has been watching the news this morning....Space
> > > > > > Shuttle
> > > > > Columbia
> > > > > > has broken up during it's decent over Texas on it's path to land
> > > at
> > > > > Kennedy
> > > > > > Space center in Florida..they have video of the fallout all over
> > > the
> > > > news
> > > > > and
> > > > > > it is not pretty....the space shuttle is a total loss and all
> > > > > > are
> > > > presumed
> > > > > > dead, because they were traveling at an approximate speed of
> > > > > > Mach
> > > 6 with
> > > > > no
> > > > > > way to eject...It has been 17 years to the day that the space
> > > shuttle
> > > > > > Challanger explosion......
> > > > > > All prayers go out to the families of the crew members.......
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