Fw: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster

Timothy Tyner shospeed@bigplanet.com
Sun, 02 Feb 2003 21:24:03 -0600 (Central Standard Time) 

So according to your warped thinking, those 343 FF's that died in the WTC
collapse mean nothing to you, and no one should care or give the thing a
second of their time unless they knew one of the FF's personally?  The ' who
#)(&ing cares' comment did not HAVE to be said.  How is someone posting
about the tragedy on this site any more of a show as you would like to say,
than someone making lame ass remarks trying to grab some attention for
themselves?  Caring about the state of affairs in this world, having
compassion (if you need to look that up, I will send you a dictionary), does
not mean you have to spend 24/7 grieving.  If your parent/sibling/child were
dying, would I care?  Yes, I would.  I can honestly say that.  Would my
grief and anquish keep me awake at night as I burden myself with what you
must be going through?  Of course not.  Get a grip and some balance dude,
because right now you are being an ass.  Also, if you 'only care about what
effects my life', then pray tell why are spending one second of your
precious life responding to something that has no effect on you in any way?
You hate people that pretend to care, I hate hypocrites.  Grow up, and learn
to keep your asinine comments to yourself.  Think about this, were I
employed where you live, would you want me to care about you and your family
and their well being, even if I had never met you?  Why should I spend even
a moment or expend any energy doing so?  What's in it for me?  Nothing.  But
when your child is trapped upstairs with the flames spreading like mad, or
when you father is desperate need of emergency intervention after he
clutches his hand to his chest, you will be damn glad that I did care.  Why
not go by and thank your local firefighters and paramedics for caring right
now?  Of course, you will probably never need them, and so what they do will
never effect you, so whatever.

Toolman

-------Original Message-------

From: Noah South III
Date: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:08:33 PM
To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster

I'm nit picking here, so don't take this too seriously, but the fact that an
Indian woman and an Israeli man were on board has ZERO bearing on why anyone
should care. It was a sucky thing that happened, I'm sorry people died, but
that's about it.

A good example of my original point, is when I read today's paper I found 4
pages in the front page section that were titled "Columbia Tragedy," and
then in "rest of the world" section I read an article about a train crash
where 40 people were killed and 60 injured in Zimbabwe. This is EXACTLY
what pisses me off. I only really care about what effects me, it's the only
real way to live my life. I could pretend to care about the shuttle
disaster, and tell everyone around me how sad I am for these people killed
so I could look like I care. But I don't, I neither do MILLIONS of people
in this country that are right now pretending to care, so they look like
caring individuals. I hate these people. I know this is coming off as a
flame, which is something I try to avoid doing, but making an OT post to a
mailing list and saying how sorry you are for these people has NO POINT
other than to try and make yourself look like you're a caring individual.
If you really did care, you wouldn't need to tell everyone about it, because
that wouldn't matter. It's choosing to care when it's convenient, because
if you REALLY did care about pain and suffering of EVERYONE in the world,
you would never have time for anything else, because you would always be in
mourning. So why not just spend the time caring about things that matter,
things that effect YOUR life. And if something effects my life, that I care
about, I'm not going to expect anyone else to care but me, because they have
no reason to care.

Just watch some tragedy befall me, or something I'm part of. How long do
you think it will take to me start attacking the pity hounds that claim that
they care, but really just want to be part of the tragedy. Cough
Cough.....Columbine....Cough Cough.

Here, someone else take this soapbox from me.

-Noah South III


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: "'Noah South III'" <raggtopp@comcast.net>; "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster


> Noah
> While I agree with your sentiments that all human lives are precious and
> that it is sad for anyone to die in any manner, I believe that there was
> a more eloquent way of saying what you said. I never once claimed that
> the lives of the 7 astronauts was any more precious than those who have
> died senselessly around the world. Space shuttle missions are always a
> media event and therefore are usually very prominent in the public eye.
> When a disaster like this happens, people tend to take notice. Whether
> or not people should or do pay more attention to certain events than
> others is a huge philosophical discussion based upon many variables that
> aren't very easy to discuss on a car forum and probably shouldn't be
> either.
>
> Keep in mind that there was an Indian woman and an Israeli on board that
> shuttle as well. I feel for them just as much as I feel for everyone
> else who was on board.
>
> Ian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Noah South III
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:27 PM
> To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
>
>
> Ok, this has to be said. Who fucking cares, a life is a life. Are you
> telling me that there is something special about these 7 people that we
> should mourn for them and not others? How about all the people that get
> killed by bombings, and terrorist acts half-way across the world? I
> never see anyone posting anything about them? I never see anyone saying
> how THAT is a tragedy? But it didn't happen here, so it's not important
> is it? Respect? I think there's less respect in people that single out
> the lives that are important based on where they live.
>
> -Noah South III
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "Lee Kelsoe" <the_big_sho@phobia.net>; "Paul L Fisher"
> <sho@paul-fisher.com>; "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
>
>
> > wow, where do you live? I never heard anyone make jokes about that.
> > Ian
> >
> > > yes I realized that i had mis-said that.....I meant ot say "it has
> > been
> > > ALMOST 17
> > > years to the day".....Space Shuttle Challenger blew up on January
> > > 28, 1986...I'm just waiting to see how long it will be till the
> > > jerks and a$$holes come out and start with the shuttle jokes.....I
> > > think I
> > heard the
> > > first one about Challenger approximately 6 hours after it
> > happened.....some
> > > people have no respect....
> > >
> > > -the kelsoe
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
> > > To: "Lee Kelsoe" <the_big_sho@phobia.net>; "SHOtimes"
> > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 11:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, January 28th would have been 17 years to the day.
> > > >
> > > > Paul L Fisher
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Lee Kelsoe" <the_big_sho@phobia.net>
> > > > To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 9:36 AM
> > > > Subject: [Shotimes] (OT)Space Shuttle disaster
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > if nobody has been watching the news this morning....Space
> > > > > Shuttle
> > > > Columbia
> > > > > has broken up during it's decent over Texas on it's path to land
> > at
> > > > Kennedy
> > > > > Space center in Florida..they have video of the fallout all over
> > the
> > > news
> > > > and
> > > > > it is not pretty....the space shuttle is a total loss and all
> > > > > are
> > > presumed
> > > > > dead, because they were traveling at an approximate speed of
> > > > > Mach
> > 6 with
> > > > no
> > > > > way to eject...It has been 17 years to the day that the space
> > shuttle
> > > > > Challanger explosion......
> > > > > All prayers go out to the families of the crew members.......
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