[Shotimes] RE: supercharging

[David P]

You know, at this late point in the game, I don't consider a makeover to
that extent worth the effort or money, or time (takes lot of each). Having
the money to do so does not make highly modifying a car that is FWD, not
very well balanced, and at least eight years old (Gen2) a smart decision.
Having money to do so means you can also afford a better hot-rod like a
Stang AND an SHO, or a better 4-door performer like a BMW.

On the other hand cost-effective boost can be had. I personally am looking
at doing a "jy" S/C with an Eaton found in the grand prix GTP, along with a
3.2L swap for the beefier rods and low-end torque. I'll push a minimum level
of boost to avoid having to rebuild the bottom end with better parts and
re-stroking, and I'll be able to use the stock tranny without too much
concern for damage due to brute power. A change of injectors, fuel pump,
fabricated steel and some method of programmable fuel control later, and I
should see 280-300hp for less than $3k. This is worth it, to me, for an
aging car that has little support in both the aftermarket and oem.

Of course, anyone wanting to just throw their money out the door in large
quantities, by all means, enjoy yourself. At the same time, go line up a
number of good used trannys since you can hardly find enough parts to
rebuild one.


David P

95MTX



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "Michael Humbert" <humbem@rpi.edu>
Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 21:00
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging


> With 159K, you should also plan on a total engine rebuild before even
> thinking about a blower.
>
> Unless you are able to do 90%+ of this work yourself, plan on $15-20K. If
> you can do virtually all of the work, plan on at least $10K.
>
> Even adding a Quaife really entails rebuilding the trans. This is
> $2,500-$3,000 right there, not counting the tranny R&R if you don't do it
> yourself.
>
> I would recommend doing a good suspension and brakes (including springs,
> struts, sway bars, all new bushings), a good exhaust, underdrive pulleys,
> the Quaife with a tranny rebuild, and forget the MAF or a chip. Also get
> some wider wheels and good tires. All of this stuff will run $6K or better
> as it is. This will improve the handling and performance, proving a good
> bang for the buck.
>
> All of the above should be done prior to considering a blower
installation,
> anyway.
>
> The last is a MAF, and is doesn't add much. I would go with a Pro-M and
> forget a chip.
>
> After doing all of the above, then consider the additional $10K+ for an
> engine rebuild and a blower setup.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael Humbert
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: 1badsho@mail.tnh.net
> Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> Upon consideration of all the advice given, I've determined that I may
> be acting a bit naovely.  I'm thinking that I should add a Quaife, a
> better exhaust system, a larger MAF, and a higher performance clutch.
> Then, after all of that has been completed, I will begin planning out
> the installation of a supercharger, assuming I still have some money and
> the desire to mess with my car anymore.  Thanks for knocking some sense
> into me!
>
> Mike Humbert
> 90 titanium w/159K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donelson Don [mailto:1badsho@mail.tnh.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: humbem@rpi.edu
> Cc: shotimes@mail.tnh.net
> Subject: supercharging
>
> With what I know about Supercharged SHO's I dont recommend them unless
> your A) totally proficent on working on your car  B) the installer is in
> your home town.
>
> A super charged show is a hoot to drive. My car was probably on the
> light end of HP as S/C SHO's go. I estimate I was about 360 HP +/-.
>
> When you mod a car to the point of S/C you will potentially face
> problems from a variety of areas. Blown clutchs, possibly blown motors
> ..... bad running motor , turned half shafts ..etc.etc.
>
> This is a very expensive propostion. I most certainly would not have the
> car as your daily driver.
>
> Bottom line ; yes they are a blast to have ... but unless your very
> proficent and plan to use this as your second car I would advise against
> it.
>
> dond
> 91 Super SHO
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