[Shotimes] RE: SHOTimes message about Ford quality

[Paul L Fisher]

Flagship car is now an Avalon. Pretty nice for a boat.

Paul L Fisher
'93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 171K Build date 11/18/1992
- K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back, Holley
190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar, Performance-Plus
Stainless Steel Y-pipe, Delrin sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30
oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
'00 Ford Explorer XLT 5.0L V8 AWD Oxford White Clearcoat 41K Build date
11/19/1999
- Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, K&N Fuel Injection Performance Kit

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy" <thanasi73@videotron.ca>
To: "Kurt Metros" <kurt@elkhart.net>
Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: SHOTimes message about Ford quality


> I use to work in the parts/service department in a Toyota dealership and
> Toyota makes some pretty good vehicles. There flagship car, the Camry, is
> the best selling in the NYC area next to the Corolla. The only Toyota
> vehicles that have a few problems is th Rav4 and the older 4-runners.
> My next car that will replace the SHO is probably going to be an Avalon
with
> all the options.
> -Tommy
> '95 SHO ATX - 62k miles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt Metros" <kurt@elkhart.net>
> To: "'Gary Mulholland'" <scmerkur@charter.net>
> Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:34 PM
> Subject: [Shotimes] RE: SHOTimes message about Ford quality
>
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > I've actually had two LS's.  Here's the breakdown:
> >
> > 1. Lincoln bought back my first after the dealer couldn't fix the
> > drivers heated seat.  That car was at the dealership no less than 15
> > times in the first 9 months of ownership.
> >
> > 2. On this one, the radio wouldn't shut off.  The dealer told me they
> > didn't have a fix for it and that Ford didn't know which radios in
> > inventory were bad and which weren't.  They replaced it once, but I got
> > another bad one.  Then they told me to wait a year to let all the bad
> > ones be depleted from their parts inventory.  A year later, it's finally
> > fixed.  Never mind how stupid I looked in front of clients explaining to
> > them why my radio wouldn't turn off on my $40K car.  Of course when I
> > got the car back from the dealer they scratched the trim panel above the
> > radio putting it in.
> >
> > 3. The rear windows creak and moan...they fixed it, but they still
> > wobble a little when they go up and I'm sure it's just a matter of time
> > before the go bad again.
> >
> > 4. I've had no less than 6 new headlight assemblies installed....they
> > aren't sealed right and fog up inside whenever it rains or you wash the
> > car.  They have fixed it under warranty every time, but my 00 did the
> > same thing.  So, here it is THREE years after the car went into
> > production and they are still trying to figure out how to properly seal
> > them.  Oh yea, after the car is out of warranty, it will cost you $233
> > each time you need to replace one.
> >
> > 5. The fit and finish is poor in several places.
> >
> > 6. The drivers seat/steering wheel memory won't hold its settings.
> > After it sits overnight I have to hit the set button again to get it to
> > go where it's supposed to be.  They can't seem to figure out what's
> > going on there.  It's hard to live with too because it positions itself
> > such that I can't see the speedometer behind the steering wheel unless I
> > set it.
> >
> > 7. It randomly 'chimes' for no reason at all when I'm driving down the
> > road....the kind of noise it makes when the door is open, but only for a
> > spit second.  I won't even bother to tell the dealership about this -
> > they'll surely do nothing, they're so useless.
> >
> > 8. The front sway bar mounts clunk. It's a known fact on the LS Owners
> > club, but the dealership won't listen to me, so I take it back again and
> > again and they do things like tighten the wheel well trim and lube the
> > suspension and tell me it's fixed.  Surely they don't test drive it.
> >
> > I'm sure there is more, I've just blocked my memory of it because it's
> > so frustrating.  I'm tired of returning the thing to the dealership and
> > fighting to get it fixed right.
> >
> > My wife bought a 2000 Toyota Celica.  The first year on the market and
> > within a few months of its debut.  It's been back to the dealership
> > once, for a problem they knew COULD be coming and resolved it.  It was
> > minor too, like some bolt that wasn't properly torqued and if worked
> > loose would cause rattling.  My sales partner has an Avalon.  50K miles
> > and it's NEVER been back to the dealer.
> >
> > Ford's got their heads up their asses and they could really give a shit
> > about whether or not I like the car or not or buy another one or not.
> > Ever tried to contact Ford?  Go to their website.  I defy you to find
> > any place to contact them there.  They really don't give a shit, I'm
> > convinced.
> >
> > Kurt 'I drive a $40K POS' Metros
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Mulholland [mailto:scmerkur@charter.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:00 AM
> > > To: kurt@elkhart.net
> > > Subject: SHOTimes message about Ford quality
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > > you wrote: "I don't have a GenIII, but I do have a Lincoln LS and I'll
> > > NEVER
> > > buy
> > > another Ford again either."
> > > What has been so bad about the LS?
> > >  I was thinking of buying a used one when the SHO wears out.
> > > Gary
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