Handling was [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

[John Weidenbenner]

Ian,

Don't forget that he's talking about his SLO. The ATX SHO has slight
oversteer with the 24/26 combo and is a good basis to tune handling. I would
expect the SLO's of the world would be more like the ATX SHO than the MTX
SHO when it comes to handling modifications.

John W.
3.2 TLS
3.2 ATX SHO
3.2 MTX SHO


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: "'Midwest SHO Specialists'" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "'John Miller'"
<jem@milleredp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging


> I thought that your point was that the Taurus understeers like a pig. It
> will understeer like a pig forever and ever as long as you are running a
> 24mm Front sway bar.
>
> By the way, are we confusing grip with handling? In my book, good
> handling consists of being able to toss a car around without losing
> grip. A Slalom would be a good example. A car that can easily transition
> from straight line driving to sudden changes in direction without losing
> it is a decent handling car.
>
> A lot of people feel that good handling is the ability to take a turn
> quickly because they have wider tires. To me, that's just grip.
>
> It's all relative though and it depends on what you are comparing it to.
>
> Ian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Midwest SHO Specialists [mailto:SHOtimes@midwestsho.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:05 AM
> To: ianf@eden.rutgers.edu; John Miller; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> Ian,
>
> 24/ 26mm combo, poly bushings and endlinks, strut tower brace, 225
> series tires, tokicos, plugged bias valve 11.6" front rotors/ 10" vented
> rears (converted from drum!).
>
> All that does wonders to keep the car remarkably flat.  My car handles
> better then my bro's 94' Z28, although with a larger turning radius. : )
> My Mustang, would just be up and gone.  The wheels would stay firmly
> planted and the car would haul ass away.  It's quite a different
> experience than the typical fighting of the steering wheel feeling I get
> with the Taurus.
>
> My point was, for the same amount of money I spent making my car handle
> better, I could improve that Mustang the same amount and it would be
> better then the Taurus again.
>
> We all know that we are the types that are up for some kind of
> challenge. There are a lot of applications out there that are a much
> better base to start modding on than the SHO, but most aren't as fun.
> The SHO is a great car, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want my
> precious Saleen back. : (
>
> Mike Kopstain
> Midwest SHO Specialists
> 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> www.MidwestSHO.com
> Sales@midwestsho.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "John Miller"
> <jem@milleredp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> > Understeer on a Taurus is easily cured as 1-2-3.
> >
> > Sway bars are where its at. Some year Taurii understeer more than
> > others (depending on sway bar combo)
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > > Speaking as someone that owns a Taurus and someone that owned a Fox
> > body
> > > (sheds a tear) let me toss in my 8.75 cents.  The fox body is raw,
> > not very
> > > comfortable to drive, but fun as all hell.  Regardless of whether or
> > not the
> > > Taurus has a stiffer structure to being with, stock for stock, the
> > Mustang
> > > handles very well and the Taurus has more understeer than....
> > ummmmm....
> > > Something that has a lot of understeer. : > )
> > >
> > > With that said, the cars are for two different people.  The Mustang
> > is your
> > > raw go fast mobile, while the Taurus is your family luxury sedan.
> > > Or
> > at
> > > least that is what it was intended to be. : )
> > >
> > > Mike Kopstain
> > > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Miller" <jem@milleredp.com>
> > > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Not to be a jerk, but why are SHO's so much better than
> > > > > mustangs?
> > 4
> > > > > doors/trunk space/fwd & rwd asside, what are the apples to
> > > > > apples comparisons  that make the SHO better?
> > > >
> > > > Stiffer structure (the SHO is quite stiff for a production sedan,
> > the Fox
> > > > cars are very floppy), slightly better material quality (yeah,
> > there's
> > > > still a lot of Ford in it, but there's also some fairly clever
> > details),
> > > > better suspension design (you can get better balance and more grip
> > out of
> > > a
> > > > SHO chassis than you ever can a Mustang with the stock four-link
> > rear
> > > > suspension), and so on.
> > > >
> > > > John.
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