Handling was [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
Ian Fisher
ianf@eden.rutgers.edu
Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:57:13 -0500
You are correct, I wasn't thinking about that. I wish I knew what FSB I
had on my 94 ATX. Whatever it was, it went well with my 26mm RSB/poly
bushings. A little eager to get the back to come around, but it was very
controllable.
Ian
93 SHO MTX
Tried:
24 (rubber)/24 (rubber)
24 (rubber)/26 (polyurethane)
24 (rubber)/26 (TPR)
20.6 (polygraphite)/26 (TPR)
22 (TPR)/26 (TPR) current setup
22 (rubber)/26 (TPR) coming with addition of Quaife
*Paul Fisher approved sig* ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Weidenbenner [mailto:johnjweid@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Ian Fisher; 'Midwest SHO Specialists'; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Handling was [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
Ian,
Don't forget that he's talking about his SLO. The ATX SHO has slight
oversteer with the 24/26 combo and is a good basis to tune handling. I
would expect the SLO's of the world would be more like the ATX SHO than
the MTX SHO when it comes to handling modifications.
John W.
3.2 TLS
3.2 ATX SHO
3.2 MTX SHO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: "'Midwest SHO Specialists'" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "'John
Miller'" <jem@milleredp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
> I thought that your point was that the Taurus understeers like a pig.
> It will understeer like a pig forever and ever as long as you are
> running a 24mm Front sway bar.
>
> By the way, are we confusing grip with handling? In my book, good
> handling consists of being able to toss a car around without losing
> grip. A Slalom would be a good example. A car that can easily
> transition from straight line driving to sudden changes in direction
> without losing it is a decent handling car.
>
> A lot of people feel that good handling is the ability to take a turn
> quickly because they have wider tires. To me, that's just grip.
>
> It's all relative though and it depends on what you are comparing it
> to.
>
> Ian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Midwest SHO Specialists [mailto:SHOtimes@midwestsho.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:05 AM
> To: ianf@eden.rutgers.edu; John Miller; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> Ian,
>
> 24/ 26mm combo, poly bushings and endlinks, strut tower brace, 225
> series tires, tokicos, plugged bias valve 11.6" front rotors/ 10"
> vented rears (converted from drum!).
>
> All that does wonders to keep the car remarkably flat. My car handles
> better then my bro's 94' Z28, although with a larger turning radius. :
> ) My Mustang, would just be up and gone. The wheels would stay firmly
> planted and the car would haul ass away. It's quite a different
> experience than the typical fighting of the steering wheel feeling I
> get with the Taurus.
>
> My point was, for the same amount of money I spent making my car
> handle better, I could improve that Mustang the same amount and it
> would be better then the Taurus again.
>
> We all know that we are the types that are up for some kind of
> challenge. There are a lot of applications out there that are a much
> better base to start modding on than the SHO, but most aren't as fun.
> The SHO is a great car, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want my
> precious Saleen back. : (
>
> Mike Kopstain
> Midwest SHO Specialists
> 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> www.MidwestSHO.com
> Sales@midwestsho.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "John Miller"
> <jem@milleredp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> > Understeer on a Taurus is easily cured as 1-2-3.
> >
> > Sway bars are where its at. Some year Taurii understeer more than
> > others (depending on sway bar combo)
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > > Speaking as someone that owns a Taurus and someone that owned a
> > > Fox
> > body
> > > (sheds a tear) let me toss in my 8.75 cents. The fox body is raw,
> > not very
> > > comfortable to drive, but fun as all hell. Regardless of whether
> > > or
> > not the
> > > Taurus has a stiffer structure to being with, stock for stock, the
> > Mustang
> > > handles very well and the Taurus has more understeer than....
> > ummmmm....
> > > Something that has a lot of understeer. : > )
> > >
> > > With that said, the cars are for two different people. The
> > > Mustang
> > is your
> > > raw go fast mobile, while the Taurus is your family luxury sedan.
> > > Or
> > at
> > > least that is what it was intended to be. : )
> > >
> > > Mike Kopstain
> > > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Miller" <jem@milleredp.com>
> > > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Not to be a jerk, but why are SHO's so much better than
> > > > > mustangs?
> > 4
> > > > > doors/trunk space/fwd & rwd asside, what are the apples to
> > > > > apples comparisons that make the SHO better?
> > > >
> > > > Stiffer structure (the SHO is quite stiff for a production
> > > > sedan,
> > the Fox
> > > > cars are very floppy), slightly better material quality (yeah,
> > there's
> > > > still a lot of Ford in it, but there's also some fairly clever
> > details),
> > > > better suspension design (you can get better balance and more
> > > > grip
> > out of
> > > a
> > > > SHO chassis than you ever can a Mustang with the stock four-link
> > rear
> > > > suspension), and so on.
> > > >
> > > > John.
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