[Shotimes] Re: OT Starting Fluid: Good or Evil?

[Paul Nimz]

I use to start diesel trucks in the winter for a trucking outfit.  They had
little capped wells that had a spike in them attached to the intake
manifold.  You inserted a grape sized jelly bean with ether in them and
ripped away.  Nothing sounds as loud as a cold diesel starting at -20F
starting.

Paul Nimz
'97 TR SHO
'93 EG mtx SHO


----- Original Message -----
From: "Noah South III" <raggtopp@comcast.net>
To: "SHOTimes-Mailing List" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: OT Starting Fluid: Good or Evil?


> Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but 14 and 15:1 are VERY VERY VERY VERY
> VERY low compression for a diesel engine.  Unless really big diesels are
> different than smaller passenger car diesels.  Most diesels that I know of
> run around 25:1 compression.
>
> That's really interesting about the ether though.  Do you know how long
each
> ether charge lasts?  It seems like that would be a really annoying thing
to
> have to change, but then again that would be much less annoying then
having
> to wait over a minute to get the glowplugs going every time you want to
> start the vehicle.
>
> -Noah South III
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Phillis" <jphillis68@hotmail.com>
> To: <jsalaets@msn.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: OT Starting Fluid: Good or Evil?
>
>
> > "If anything, I would say that starting fluid is NOT a good idea in
> diesels,
> > but is harmless to gasoline engines."
> >
> > FYI, I worked for a heavy equip dealer in highschool, and my father
still
> > works there, not to mention my brother is in the local 66 operating
> > engineers union (he runs a 375 CAT excavator right now)
> >
> > and we are talking big heavy machines, with 14 and 15:1 compression
ratios
> > not to mention the smaller kabota and yanmar newholland diesels
> >
> > all of which, of the new ones have a prestart position on the key, which
> you
> > hold for 15 seconds activates a glow plug, warms up the feul, then when
> you
> > turn the key to start teh engine, it automatically hits the intake with
a
> > can of either.
> > so when you are cranking, it is already sucking in burning either and
> diesel
> > fuel.
> >
> > so, in short, if starting fluid was bad for diesel engines, CAT,
> NewHolland,
> > Case, John Deere  wouldn't put an either can holding assembly with quick
> > change, directly onto the machine, so you can get starting fluid wihtout
> > lifting a finger aside from turning the key.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Josh Salaets" <jsalaets@msn.com>
> > To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Shotimes] Re:  OT Starting Fluid: Good or Evil?
> > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:34:52 -0800
> >
> >  >>> She has a "mechanic" friend who seems to have her convinced that I
> have
> > ruined everything and have mucked up the works.  He says I ruined the
> plugs
> > so I pulled one and it was covered in carbon, which obviously isn't
> created
> > when starting fluid burns and I wire brushed the plug and it appeared to
> be
> > in perfect condition.  He also says that starting fluid is only for
> > diesels.<<<
> >
> > Well then this person isn't a "mechanic" at all if he/she thinks
starting
> > fluid will damage a car!  Starting fluid won't damage anything unless
you
> > spray a whole can in there and it fills up the combustion chamber.  I've
> had
> > to use starting fluid on other cars and lawnmowers in the past, and it
> > hasn't hurt them one bit!  BTW, did you know that WD-40 is an excellent
> > alternative to starting fluid?  This was actually in a Maxim (that
> magazine
> > is so cool) article awhile back.
> >
> > If anything, I would say that starting fluid is NOT a good idea in
> diesels,
> > but is harmless to gasoline engines.
> >
> > Have you checked to see if it's getting decent spark?
> >
> > Good luck, and I think you'll have no problem winning this argument! : )
> >
> > Josh Salaets
> > 95 SHO MTX (See it here: www.cardomain.com/id/sh0gun)
> > 85 Omni GLH-T (Autocrosser)
> > Eugene, OR
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