[Shotimes] AMSOIL By-pass filter

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I've said this before, and will repeat.  Scott Patterson is some sort of
nuclear engineer, so he's probably pretty bright.  That said, I'm amazed
that he has formulated a strong opinion based on anecdotal evidence.  Synth.
oil is not miracle stuff, and if you abuse it by not changing your
thermostat when you should, or run high revs while cold, or running too
long, then there will be problems.  IF you change your oil every 3000 miles,
then dino, GTX for example, would be just fine.  But that takes 2-3 times
the natural resources and time and hassle than if you use synthetic,
changing every 6-10K based upon analysis, and good filtering.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Tatro" <stevetatro_shotimes@att.net>
To: "'Paul L Fisher'" <sho@paul-fisher.com>; "'Jim and Debbie Leyden'"
<jndleyden@mindspring.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] AMSOIL By-pass filter


> There is another "expert".  Although you may not regard him as highly as
> you do Doug, Scott Patterson (known well to those who frequent the SHO
> Forum) has torn apart many, many V6 SHO engines.  He, too, has seen the
> effects of what sometimes occurs with SHO engines that are fed nothing
> but synthetic oils.  He has pictures of his cam lobes, at 265k miles, as
> well as many others that have been on strict diets of dino oil, and has
> seen no signs of cam lobe wear (on well-maintained engines).  On the
> other hand, he's seen numerous synthetically-lubed cam lobes that show
> significant wear (isn't even just a little bit considered significant?).
>
> Now, I don't think I've ever heard Scott say anything bad about any
> particular oil.  He just notes what he's seen, advises people to look at
> the condition of his engine with 265k miles, and lets them make their
> own educated decisions.
>
> I still like to use Mobil 1 in the winter.  I like knowing the oil is
> ready to move and lubricate after my car sits out in the cold all day.
>
> No way would I use it all year.  It appears there are no problems with
> using good dino oil (Scott uses Castrol GTX exclusively, although he may
> have recently switched to the high-mile formula) and if my car sees 265k
> miles and the engine is in the condition Scott's is, I'll be a happy
> camper.  By the way, Scott just replaced his rod bearings, although he
> heard no noises indicating he should, and found surprisingly (in my
> opinion) little wear, when compared to other pictures I've seen passed
> around.
>
> Carpe diem,
>
> Steve Tatro
> Red/Black '93 with 164k miles
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> www.picturetrail.com/stevetatro
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul L Fisher
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:52 PM
> To: Jim and Debbie Leyden; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] AMSOIL By-pass filter
>
>
> Let me guess, local expert was Doug Lewis?
>
> He is the only person I have heard bad mouth synthetics. My cams look
> good after 169K miles on synthetic. The rod bearings have been replaced
> but I abused my oil several times (ran 50,000 miles on one filter and
> one oil change).
>
> Paul L Fisher
> '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 169K Build date 11/18/1992
> - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
> Holley 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
> Performance-Plus Stainless Steel Y-pipe, Delrin sub-frame bushings,
> Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF. '00 Ford Explorer
> XLT 5.0L V8 AWD Oxford White Clearcoat 39K Build date 11/19/1999
> - Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, K&N Fuel Injection Performance Kit
>
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> Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
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>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Debbie Leyden" <jndleyden@mindspring.com>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>; <dmall@mwonline.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] AMSOIL By-pass filter
>
>
> > > When your cat converters failed, was it because of a bad thermostat?
> >
> > The cause of the cat failure is unknown.
> >
> > >In your note you seem skeptical of synthetics,
> > > but you had a car go 200,000 before a non-oil related  failure took
> > >out the motor.  And you said you used  synthetics in it. So I don't
> > >get your comment above about  doubting the use of synthetics in
> > >SHO's?  Your note reads  like you used synthetics in it, but I
> > >suspect you meant to  say you used regular oil and changed it at 3000
>
> > >mile  intervals....right?
> >
> > Correct, after going back and reading it, it guess I worded that
> > poorly.
> >
> > As far as being a skeptic about synthetics is concerned,  I used Mobil
>
> > 1
> in
> > all my cars until I got the SHO.  Before I purchased the SHO I took it
>
> > to
> a
> > local SHO guru and had an evaluation done on the car to see if it was
> worth
> > the purchse price.  At that time I was warned off of synthetics in the
>
> > SHO motor and shown several valve shims and camshafts that had failed.
>
> > I was told at the time that the only common denominator between the
> > failures was the use of synthetic oil.  Further, I used to know a
> > professional
> motorcycle
> > racer that felt that synthetic oil and motorcycle engines just did not
> mix.
> > He also cited several failures on the top end of bucket/shim style
> > motors that he attributed to synthetic oils. I'd love to be convinced
> > otherwise as I have always felt that that synthetics are better all
> > the way around, but the idea of trashing my SHO motor just plain
> > scares the heck out of me.