[Shotimes] Tires for convention/rest of the summer

Ron Porter ronporter@prodigy.net
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:29:35 -0400


I like my ES100s so far also. They were great for the 1,600-mile round-trip
to NH, and they have been good a couple of times when I pushed them a bit on
off-ramps (too much traffic lately for a 9/10s try).

Ron Porter 

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of John Hamilton
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:38 AM
To: 'Bruce Malachuk'; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Tires for convention/rest of the summer


You'll really like them. Replaced my 2 year old db's on the GENIII with
these. Very nice tire. GENI got the hand-me-downs. 

John Hamilton
Ida,ON,CA 

'97 ES
'91 Mocha/Mocha
'89 S10 Blazer 2WD
 

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Malachuk
Sent: July 10, 2003 1:19 AM
To: Ron Porter; BJamesjr@aol.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Tires for convention/rest of the summer


Well i ended up ordering a set of ES100's in 225/55/16. They should be
here
tomorrow, which is in line with all my other parts getting here on
friday
afternoon. Noting like waiting till the last minute to get lower control
arms, tie rods, front wheel bearings, 26mm rear sway, front sway links,
new
PFC rear pads, a brake fluid flush, alignment, oil change, and most
likely a
windsheild all put into the car.

Would a repaired crack in the windshield disqualify a car from running
the
track? The crack is 18in long but has been "fixed" and is not growing
any
longer.

Bruce
94 Opal Frost MTX
93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: <BJamesjr@aol.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Tires for convention/rest of the summer


> The survey numbers are based on owner surveys.......of course, you
don't
> have to prove ownership to take the survey. I would NOT compare the
survey
> numbers across tire types, and am quite leery of them even between
> supposedly equal tires.
>
> Frankly, I rarely look art the summary numbers, I go down and read the
> actual surveys to see the actual comments, as well as the kinds of
cars
that
> they are used on. That gives you a better idea, plus it also tells you
that
> some people are pretty clueless!
>
> FWIW, "All-Season" tires don't really mean anything by definition. The
key
> thing is that they have a rubber compound that works in warm AND cold
> weather, whereas many summer-only-type tires don't work when cold.
From
what
> I've seen, the best wet traction is on summer-only compounds in that
tires
> that work well for dry traction are also good in the wet.
>
> Price has nothing to do with it, as the ES100 costs just a couple of
$$
more
> than the AVS DB for most sizes. There are also all-season tires that
cost
a
> lot more than tires that handle a lot better than they do.
>
> I have tried a number of all-season tires. Some work well....for what
they
> are, but I am getting to the point that the only way to get what I
want is
> to go back to the two-sets-of-tires mode, rather than trying to
compromise.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of BJamesjr@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:01 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Tires for convention/rest of the summer
>
>
> It certainly would seem logical that a more expensive "dry" tire would
do
> better than a less expensive all-season tire, especially from the same
> manufacturer.
>
> I went to tirerack, input the size that I wanted (225/55-16) and
looked at
> the list of 76 available tires in that size.  I picked the ones that I
was
> interested in and did some comparisons.  I want to be sure I don't
slide
> around in wet weather so I concentrate on all-season tires.  I picked
the
> AVS DB S2 and the Potenza 950.  When you do a comparison you get a
table
of
> ratings in categories such as "handling rating", "dry traction", "wet
> traction", "ride comfort" "noise comfort", and "wear".  These 2 tires
scored
> so much higher than all of the other all season tires that I got
curious
and
> compared them with non- all season tires.  The AVS DB S2 has better
scores
> than the AVS Sport in all of these categories.  I compared to a
high-rated
> tire, the Potenza S-03 Pole Position, and the AVSDBS2 is less in the
> traction/handling categories, but is fairly close.
>
> Well we all like comparing numbers and saying that this one is better
> because it scores 8.9 vs. 8.7.  However there is some question as to
where
> these numbers come from and can they be compared that closely.  I
don't
> think they are that scientific and I don't think they can be compared
that
> way (just my guess).  It could be that the high ratings for an
all-season
> tire are from someone who has lesser expectations from their tires
than
the
> ratings for a max. performance tire from someone who demands a high
level
of
> performance.
>
> Of course since I'm the one saying this then I should not have implied
that
> the AVSDBS2 compares to the ES100.  Oh well, the numbers are there.
We
can
> always compare them and use them however we want.  I don't mind all
season
> tires since I look for wet traction and I'm willing to give up some
dry
> performance for it.
>
> > The AVS DBs are all-season tires. ES100s and AVS Sports are not. I
went
> and
> > read the reviews. Rate "higher ratings" as you will, but I don't see
it
> that
> > way at all. The AVS DB people say they are "fast & aggressive"
drivers
(I
> > think Tire Rack needs different categories!!), but the
> > reviews talked about
> > "less noise" and other meaningless remarks as such.
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