[Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
alfitz@alfitz.com
alfitz@alfitz.com
Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:02:49 -0500
Now I find out that he had the head gaskets replaced. This would VOID any
warranty. I just can't imagine why he did that. Also, if the person who
replaced the head gaskets used a 3.0 head gasket rather then a 3.2 head
gasket, could have caused this problem. The very edge of the head gasket
would be torn off and right down the cylinder wall.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
> Not necessarily, depends whether any/how much coolant hits the cylinders.
Or
> maybe a couple of busted rings.
>
> I have this "gut feeling" that the car overheated on him and he ain't
> tellin'!!
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:31 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
>
>
> I had thought about that. The head gaskets were replaced less than
> 2k miles ago, before the engine was put in. Doesn't mean it was done
> correctly though. You'd most likely smell burning antifreeze in the
> exhaust and/or see water/frothing in the oil though wouldn't you?
>
>
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
>
> -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> ShoShop y-pipe
>
> -'95 White MTX
> '96 Brake Upgrade
>
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
>
>
>
> "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net> wrote on 06/24/2003 12:40:14 PM:
>
> > Blown head gasket keeps coming to mind...possibly due to a warped head
> that
> > gets worse when the car warms up.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:48 AM
> > To: alfitz@alfitz.com
> > Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
> >
> >
> > Ok, I went to look at this car Friday after work. I wasn't prepared or
> > equipped to start tearing it apart. As it turns out, I don't think that
> > matters.
> >
> > Upon starting, there is no immediate smoke. A moment or two later, the
> > exhaust appears blue, with an oily smell. Revving the car produces more
> > smoke. Driving it, it appears down on power, but not dramatically. I
> > was picturing it sputtering and chugging, but it isn't that bad. After
> > taking it around the neighborhood, with some spirited blasts, it started
> > smoking worse.
> >
> > When the engine is running, and you remove the oil cap, there is some
> > smoking. It's like puffing (can't think of the word I want to use),
> > and seems to be linked to a cylinder or two. I think he's getting some
> > major blowby. Bad rings? The engine had new head gaskets, timing belt,
> > and other seals replaced before it was installed.
> >
> > The plugs are Bosch Platinum +4s or whatever, and the wires are not
> > Motorcraft. I told him to look at the FAQ for the reasons to use the
> > Ford parts. Replacing these might help power, but I think there is
> > still some internal problems here. This thing smokes way too much,
> > and the smoking from the oil filler isn't good.
> >
> > On a different note, the car seemed to have a regular Taurus hood on
> > it. It was scooped down like on an SLO. Looking under the SHO hood
> > insulator, it didn't look hacked up like I would have expected. The
> > bracing looked slightly different than mine. No signs of rubbing on the
> > intake. This is an ATX. Maybe that accounts for the clearance?
> > Definitely different.
> >
> > So, like Van Oss said, I'm no expert. But it seems like there are some
> > internal problems. He, of course, has spent way too much money on the
> > car already and doesn't know what to do. But he loves the car and
> > wants to keep it. Therein lies the controversy.
> >
> >
> > Mike Wojton
> > Toledo, Ohio
> >
> > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > ShoShop y-pipe
> >
> > -'95 White MTX
> > '96 Brake Upgrade
> >
> > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <alfitz@alfitz.com> wrote on 06/20/2003 11:13:41 AM:
> >
> > > That guy is in the service and bought the engine and some body parts
> > from
> > > me. He had a FORD dealer in Falls City Nebraska install the engine.
> The
> > > engine was really good when I sold it to him and I don't know what
> > happened
> > > to it. I had given him a 6 month warranty on the engine, but he was at
> 8
> > > months when he called me. I told him I wouldn't cover it under the
> > warranty,
> > > but I would find some SHO owners to help him figure his next move.
> > >
> > > I don't know why there is no power, but generally it from bad plus
> > and/or
> > > wires. Even though he may have new plugs, are they gapped correctly?
> He
> > > should be using motor craft, not Bosch. If you can, pull a plug and
> > check
> > > the gap. If he hasn't replaced the plug wires, he should do that. And
> if
> > he
> > > has replaced them, with what brand? Another problem with 'lack of
> power'
> > > could be caused by improper valve adjustment. Did he have that done
> and
> > if
> > > so, was it done correctly?
> > >
> > > I'm also curios about the smoking issue. How bad is it smoking. What
> > color?
> > >
> > > The O2 sensors can cause the computer to run lean or rich, depending
> on
> > the
> > > problem. Usually though, it won't have any effect with WOT (wide open
> > > throttle).
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Fitz
> > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
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> > >
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>
> > > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] SHO IN TOLEDO
> > >
> > >
> > > > I talked to this guy last night, and am going to go take a look at
> the
> > car
> > > > after work today. He has a few problems.
> > > >
> > > > First is burning oil. Mostly right after startup and when mashing
> the
> > > > go pedal. I'm thinking valve seals right after startup. Would this
>
> > also
> > > > manifest itself when mashing the throttle?
> > > >
> > > > Second, he complains the car has little power under acceleration.
> Less
> > > > than other SHOs he's driven. I've heard this complaint alot lately,
>
> > and
> > > > I know there could be lots of reasons for it. Plugs and wires are
> > fairly
> > > > new. Bosch Platinums. The engine in the car was replaced, and some
> > > > work was done on it before it went in. I'm not sure what all was
> > > > replaced,
> > > > but one thing I know of is the timing belt. I'm thinking maybe the
> > belt
> > > > was not installed right and the timing's off. I know this can be
> > checked
> > > > through the little inspection cover. How do I check it?
> > > >
> > > > The car is a '95 ATX. Not sure of miles; on the car or on the
> engine.
> > > > A shop did the engine work and installation in the car. I'll try to
>
> > get
> > > > more info tonight. He says he pulled codes and he thought they
> > referred
> > > > to O2 sensors. If O2 sensors are bad, could that affect power or
> > > > acceleration? Give me some ideas of things to look for. TIA.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Wojton
> > > > Toledo, Ohio
> > > >
> > > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > > >
> > > > -'95 White MTX
> > > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > > >
> > > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 06/18/2003 06:03:28 PM:
> > > >
> > > > > I have a customer in Toledo with engine problems. Initially I
> > thought
> > > > his
> > > > > problem was under warranty, but it turns out it's not. Could
> someone
> > in
> > > > Toledo
> > > > > give him some advice on what to do? Maybe take a look at his SHO
> and
> > see
> > > > if
> > > > > it's an obvious problem. He just needs some help from the SHO
> > community.
> > > > >
> > > > > His name is Trey Jones
> > > > > 419 380-8977
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Al Fitz
> > > > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > > > > .
> > > > > SHO PARTS REQUEST FORM:
> > > > > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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