[Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
Ron Porter
ronporter@prodigy.net
Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:46:23 -0400
Not necessarily, depends whether any/how much coolant hits the cylinders. Or
maybe a couple of busted rings.
I have this "gut feeling" that the car overheated on him and he ain't
tellin'!!
Ron Porter
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I had thought about that. The head gaskets were replaced less than
2k miles ago, before the engine was put in. Doesn't mean it was done
correctly though. You'd most likely smell burning antifreeze in the
exhaust and/or see water/frothing in the oil though wouldn't you?
Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio
-'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
ShoShop y-pipe
-'95 White MTX
'96 Brake Upgrade
"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
"Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net> wrote on 06/24/2003 12:40:14 PM:
> Blown head gasket keeps coming to mind...possibly due to a warped head
that
> gets worse when the car warms up.
>
> Ron Porter
>
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> Subject: [Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
>
>
> Ok, I went to look at this car Friday after work. I wasn't prepared or
> equipped to start tearing it apart. As it turns out, I don't think that
> matters.
>
> Upon starting, there is no immediate smoke. A moment or two later, the
> exhaust appears blue, with an oily smell. Revving the car produces more
> smoke. Driving it, it appears down on power, but not dramatically. I
> was picturing it sputtering and chugging, but it isn't that bad. After
> taking it around the neighborhood, with some spirited blasts, it started
> smoking worse.
>
> When the engine is running, and you remove the oil cap, there is some
> smoking. It's like puffing (can't think of the word I want to use),
> and seems to be linked to a cylinder or two. I think he's getting some
> major blowby. Bad rings? The engine had new head gaskets, timing belt,
> and other seals replaced before it was installed.
>
> The plugs are Bosch Platinum +4s or whatever, and the wires are not
> Motorcraft. I told him to look at the FAQ for the reasons to use the
> Ford parts. Replacing these might help power, but I think there is
> still some internal problems here. This thing smokes way too much,
> and the smoking from the oil filler isn't good.
>
> On a different note, the car seemed to have a regular Taurus hood on
> it. It was scooped down like on an SLO. Looking under the SHO hood
> insulator, it didn't look hacked up like I would have expected. The
> bracing looked slightly different than mine. No signs of rubbing on the
> intake. This is an ATX. Maybe that accounts for the clearance?
> Definitely different.
>
> So, like Van Oss said, I'm no expert. But it seems like there are some
> internal problems. He, of course, has spent way too much money on the
> car already and doesn't know what to do. But he loves the car and
> wants to keep it. Therein lies the controversy.
>
>
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
>
> -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> ShoShop y-pipe
>
> -'95 White MTX
> '96 Brake Upgrade
>
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
>
>
>
>
> <alfitz@alfitz.com> wrote on 06/20/2003 11:13:41 AM:
>
> > That guy is in the service and bought the engine and some body parts
> from
> > me. He had a FORD dealer in Falls City Nebraska install the engine.
The
> > engine was really good when I sold it to him and I don't know what
> happened
> > to it. I had given him a 6 month warranty on the engine, but he was at
8
> > months when he called me. I told him I wouldn't cover it under the
> warranty,
> > but I would find some SHO owners to help him figure his next move.
> >
> > I don't know why there is no power, but generally it from bad plus
> and/or
> > wires. Even though he may have new plugs, are they gapped correctly?
He
> > should be using motor craft, not Bosch. If you can, pull a plug and
> check
> > the gap. If he hasn't replaced the plug wires, he should do that. And
if
> he
> > has replaced them, with what brand? Another problem with 'lack of
power'
> > could be caused by improper valve adjustment. Did he have that done
and
> if
> > so, was it done correctly?
> >
> > I'm also curios about the smoking issue. How bad is it smoking. What
> color?
> >
> > The O2 sensors can cause the computer to run lean or rich, depending
on
> the
> > problem. Usually though, it won't have any effect with WOT (wide open
> > throttle).
> >
> >
> > Al Fitz
> > http://www.alfitz.com
> > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > .
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> > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> >
> >
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> > From: <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>
> > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] SHO IN TOLEDO
> >
> >
> > > I talked to this guy last night, and am going to go take a look at
the
> car
> > > after work today. He has a few problems.
> > >
> > > First is burning oil. Mostly right after startup and when mashing
the
> > > go pedal. I'm thinking valve seals right after startup. Would this
> also
> > > manifest itself when mashing the throttle?
> > >
> > > Second, he complains the car has little power under acceleration.
Less
> > > than other SHOs he's driven. I've heard this complaint alot lately,
> and
> > > I know there could be lots of reasons for it. Plugs and wires are
> fairly
> > > new. Bosch Platinums. The engine in the car was replaced, and some
> > > work was done on it before it went in. I'm not sure what all was
> > > replaced,
> > > but one thing I know of is the timing belt. I'm thinking maybe the
> belt
> > > was not installed right and the timing's off. I know this can be
> checked
> > > through the little inspection cover. How do I check it?
> > >
> > > The car is a '95 ATX. Not sure of miles; on the car or on the
engine.
> > > A shop did the engine work and installation in the car. I'll try to
> get
> > > more info tonight. He says he pulled codes and he thought they
> referred
> > > to O2 sensors. If O2 sensors are bad, could that affect power or
> > > acceleration? Give me some ideas of things to look for. TIA.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Wojton
> > > Toledo, Ohio
> > >
> > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > >
> > > -'95 White MTX
> > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > >
> > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 06/18/2003 06:03:28 PM:
> > >
> > > > I have a customer in Toledo with engine problems. Initially I
> thought
> > > his
> > > > problem was under warranty, but it turns out it's not. Could
someone
> in
> > > Toledo
> > > > give him some advice on what to do? Maybe take a look at his SHO
and
> see
> > > if
> > > > it's an obvious problem. He just needs some help from the SHO
> community.
> > > >
> > > > His name is Trey Jones
> > > > 419 380-8977
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Al Fitz
> > > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > > > .
> > > > SHO PARTS REQUEST FORM:
> > > > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WE ACCEPT MasterCard, Visa. and Discovery
> > > >
> > >
> >
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