[Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
Ron Childs
rbchilds@pacbell.net
Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
I believe the torque issue was on the 3800 engine. IIRC, they revised the torque specs from what were originally shown in the manual to cure the HG problems.
-Ron
Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
Didn't "we" go around on the head bolt torque specs not long ago?
It is wrong in some of the service manuals? Something like that?
I don't want to open up that can of worms again, but what should
the spec be? That can be checked rather easily.
Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio
-'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
ShoShop y-pipe
-'95 White MTX
'96 Brake Upgrade
"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
wrote on 06/24/2003 01:46:03 PM:
> this doesn't specifically answer your question but I'd take a look at
> what work was previously done and start from there. My 3.2 from my
> parts car was a mess. Spun rod bearing, loose head bolts, etc. From
> what I can gather, someone replaced the HG's at one point; they were
> barely seated and the heads themselves were loose. I took one of the
> piston/con rods to a local shop yesterday and the guy there commented
> on how stiff the wrist pins were. That engine was
> apparnetly "rebuilt/destroyed" at one point and slapped back together
> in an ungodly fashion. The point: sometimes the repair work leaves the
> car worse than it was before the so called repair..
>
> Ian
>
> > I had thought about that. The head gaskets were replaced less than
> > 2k miles ago, before the engine was put in. Doesn't mean it was done
> > correctly though. You'd most likely smell burning antifreeze in the
> > exhaust and/or see water/frothing in the oil though wouldn't you?
> >
> >
> > Mike Wojton
> > Toledo, Ohio
> >
> > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > ShoShop y-pipe
> >
> > -'95 White MTX
> > '96 Brake Upgrade
> >
> > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ron Porter" wrote on 06/24/2003 12:40:14 PM:
> >
> > > Blown head gasket keeps coming to mind...possibly due to a warped
> head
> > that
> > > gets worse when the car warms up.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:48 AM
> > > To: alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: [Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, I went to look at this car Friday after work. I wasn't
> prepared or
> > > equipped to start tearing it apart. As it turns out, I don't think
> that
> > > matters.
> > >
> > > Upon starting, there is no immediate smoke. A moment or two later,
> the
> > > exhaust appears blue, with an oily smell. Revving the car produces
> more
> > > smoke. Driving it, it appears down on power, but not
> dramatically. I
> > > was picturing it sputtering and chugging, but it isn't that bad.
> After
> > > taking it around the neighborhood, with some spirited blasts, it
> started
> > > smoking worse.
> > >
> > > When the engine is running, and you remove the oil cap, there is
> some
> > > smoking. It's like puffing (can't think of the word I want to use),
> > > and seems to be linked to a cylinder or two. I think he's getting
> some
> > > major blowby. Bad rings? The engine had new head gaskets, timing
> belt,
> > > and other seals replaced before it was installed.
> > >
> > > The plugs are Bosch Platinum +4s or whatever, and the wires are not
> > > Motorcraft. I told him to look at the FAQ for the reasons to use
> the
> > > Ford parts. Replacing these might help power, but I think there is
> > > still some internal problems here. This thing smokes way too much,
> > > and the smoking from the oil filler isn't good.
> > >
> > > On a different note, the car seemed to have a regular Taurus hood on
> > > it. It was scooped down like on an SLO. Looking under the SHO hood
> > > insulator, it didn't look hacked up like I would have expected. The
> > > bracing looked slightly different than mine. No signs of rubbing
> on the
> > > intake. This is an ATX. Maybe that accounts for the clearance?
> > > Definitely different.
> > >
> > > So, like Van Oss said, I'm no expert. But it seems like there are
> some
> > > internal problems. He, of course, has spent way too much money on
> the
> > > car already and doesn't know what to do. But he loves the car and
> > > wants to keep it. Therein lies the controversy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Wojton
> > > Toledo, Ohio
> > >
> > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > >
> > > -'95 White MTX
> > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > >
> > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote on 06/20/2003 11:13:41 AM:
> > >
> > > > That guy is in the service and bought the engine and some body
> parts
> > > from
> > > > me. He had a FORD dealer in Falls City Nebraska install the
> engine.
> > The
> > > > engine was really good when I sold it to him and I don't know
> what
> > > happened
> > > > to it. I had given him a 6 month warranty on the engine, but he
> was at
> > 8
> > > > months when he called me. I told him I wouldn't cover it under
> the
> > > warranty,
> > > > but I would find some SHO owners to help him figure his next move.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know why there is no power, but generally it from bad
> plus
> > > and/or
> > > > wires. Even though he may have new plugs, are they gapped
> correctly?
> > He
> > > > should be using motor craft, not Bosch. If you can, pull a plug
> and
> > > check
> > > > the gap. If he hasn't replaced the plug wires, he should do that.
> And
> > if
> > > he
> > > > has replaced them, with what brand? Another problem with 'lack of
> > power'
> > > > could be caused by improper valve adjustment. Did he have that
> done
> > and
> > > if
> > > > so, was it done correctly?
> > > >
> > > > I'm also curios about the smoking issue. How bad is it smoking.
> What
> > > color?
> > > >
> > > > The O2 sensors can cause the computer to run lean or rich,
> depending
> > on
> > > the
> > > > problem. Usually though, it won't have any effect with WOT (wide
> open
> > > > throttle).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Al Fitz
> > > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > > > .
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> > > > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:44 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] SHO IN TOLEDO
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I talked to this guy last night, and am going to go take a look
> at
> > the
> > > car
> > > > > after work today. He has a few problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > First is burning oil. Mostly right after startup and when
> mashing
> > the
> > > > > go pedal. I'm thinking valve seals right after startup. Would
> this
> >
> > > also
> > > > > manifest itself when mashing the throttle?
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, he complains the car has little power under
> acceleration.
> > Less
> > > > > than other SHOs he's driven. I've heard this complaint alot
> lately,
> >
> > > and
> > > > > I know there could be lots of reasons for it. Plugs and wires
> are
> > > fairly
> > > > > new. Bosch Platinums. The engine in the car was replaced, and
> some
> > > > > work was done on it before it went in. I'm not sure what all
> was
> > > > > replaced,
> > > > > but one thing I know of is the timing belt. I'm thinking maybe
> the
> > > belt
> > > > > was not installed right and the timing's off. I know this can
> be
> > > checked
> > > > > through the little inspection cover. How do I check it?
> > > > >
> > > > > The car is a '95 ATX. Not sure of miles; on the car or on the
> > engine.
> > > > > A shop did the engine work and installation in the car. I'll
> try to
> >
> > > get
> > > > > more info tonight. He says he pulled codes and he thought they
> > > referred
> > > > > to O2 sensors. If O2 sensors are bad, could that affect power
> or
> > > > > acceleration? Give me some ideas of things to look for. TIA.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Wojton
> > > > > Toledo, Ohio
> > > > >
> > > > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > > > >
> > > > > -'95 White MTX
> > > > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > > > >
> > > > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 06/18/2003 06:03:28 PM:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have a customer in Toledo with engine problems. Initially I
> > > thought
> > > > > his
> > > > > > problem was under warranty, but it turns out it's not. Could
> > someone
> > > in
> > > > > Toledo
> > > > > > give him some advice on what to do? Maybe take a look at his
> SHO
> > and
> > > see
> > > > > if
> > > > > > it's an obvious problem. He just needs some help from the SHO
> > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His name is Trey Jones
> > > > > > 419 380-8977
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Al Fitz
> > > > > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > > > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > SHO PARTS REQUEST FORM:
> > > > > > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WE ACCEPT MasterCard, Visa. and Discovery
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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