[Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO

Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:45:50 -0400


Oh yeah, that's right.  *shudder*  Nevermind.


Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio

-'95 Green MTX  3/01-1/03
   ShoShop y-pipe

-'95 White MTX
   '96 Brake Upgrade

"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan




shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 06/24/2003 03:28:14 PM:

> I believe the torque issue was on the 3800 engine. IIRC, they revised 
the torque specs from what 
> were originally shown in the manual to cure the HG problems.
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> Didn't "we" go around on the head bolt torque specs not long ago?
> It is wrong in some of the service manuals? Something like that?
> I don't want to open up that can of worms again, but what should
> the spec be? That can be checked rather easily.
> 
> 
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
> 
> -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> ShoShop y-pipe
> 
> -'95 White MTX
> '96 Brake Upgrade
> 
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> 
> 
> 
> wrote on 06/24/2003 01:46:03 PM:
> 
> > this doesn't specifically answer your question but I'd take a look at 
> > what work was previously done and start from there. My 3.2 from my 
> > parts car was a mess. Spun rod bearing, loose head bolts, etc. From 
> > what I can gather, someone replaced the HG's at one point; they were 
> > barely seated and the heads themselves were loose. I took one of the 
> > piston/con rods to a local shop yesterday and the guy there commented 
> > on how stiff the wrist pins were. That engine was 
> > apparnetly "rebuilt/destroyed" at one point and slapped back together 
> > in an ungodly fashion. The point: sometimes the repair work leaves the 

> > car worse than it was before the so called repair..
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
> > > I had thought about that. The head gaskets were replaced less than
> > > 2k miles ago, before the engine was put in. Doesn't mean it was done
> > > correctly though. You'd most likely smell burning antifreeze in the
> > > exhaust and/or see water/frothing in the oil though wouldn't you?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Mike Wojton
> > > Toledo, Ohio
> > > 
> > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > > 
> > > -'95 White MTX
> > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > > 
> > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Ron Porter" wrote on 06/24/2003 12:40:14 PM:
> > > 
> > > > Blown head gasket keeps coming to mind...possibly due to a warped 
> > head 
> > > that
> > > > gets worse when the car warms up.
> > > > 
> > > > Ron Porter 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net 
> > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:48 AM
> > > > To: alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > > Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: [Shotimes] Re: SHO IN TOLEDO
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, I went to look at this car Friday after work. I wasn't 
> > prepared or
> > > > equipped to start tearing it apart. As it turns out, I don't think 

> > that
> > > > matters.
> > > > 
> > > > Upon starting, there is no immediate smoke. A moment or two later, 

> > the
> > > > exhaust appears blue, with an oily smell. Revving the car produces 

> > more
> > > > smoke. Driving it, it appears down on power, but not 
> > dramatically. I
> > > > was picturing it sputtering and chugging, but it isn't that bad. 
> > After
> > > > taking it around the neighborhood, with some spirited blasts, it 
> > started
> > > > smoking worse.
> > > > 
> > > > When the engine is running, and you remove the oil cap, there is 
> > some
> > > > smoking. It's like puffing (can't think of the word I want to 
use),
> > > > and seems to be linked to a cylinder or two. I think he's getting 
> > some
> > > > major blowby. Bad rings? The engine had new head gaskets, timing 
> > belt,
> > > > and other seals replaced before it was installed.
> > > > 
> > > > The plugs are Bosch Platinum +4s or whatever, and the wires are 
not
> > > > Motorcraft. I told him to look at the FAQ for the reasons to use 
> > the
> > > > Ford parts. Replacing these might help power, but I think there is
> > > > still some internal problems here. This thing smokes way too much, 

> > > > and the smoking from the oil filler isn't good.
> > > > 
> > > > On a different note, the car seemed to have a regular Taurus hood 
on
> > > > it. It was scooped down like on an SLO. Looking under the SHO hood
> > > > insulator, it didn't look hacked up like I would have expected. 
The
> > > > bracing looked slightly different than mine. No signs of rubbing 
> > on the
> > > > intake. This is an ATX. Maybe that accounts for the clearance?
> > > > Definitely different.
> > > > 
> > > > So, like Van Oss said, I'm no expert. But it seems like there are 
> > some
> > > > internal problems. He, of course, has spent way too much money on 
> > the
> > > > car already and doesn't know what to do. But he loves the car and
> > > > wants to keep it. Therein lies the controversy.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Mike Wojton
> > > > Toledo, Ohio
> > > > 
> > > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > > > 
> > > > -'95 White MTX
> > > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > > > 
> > > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > wrote on 06/20/2003 11:13:41 AM:
> > > > 
> > > > > That guy is in the service and bought the engine and some body 
> > parts 
> > > > from
> > > > > me. He had a FORD dealer in Falls City Nebraska install the 
> > engine. 
> > > The
> > > > > engine was really good when I sold it to him and I don't know 
> > what 
> > > > happened
> > > > > to it. I had given him a 6 month warranty on the engine, but he 
> > was at 
> > > 8
> > > > > months when he called me. I told him I wouldn't cover it under 
> > the 
> > > > warranty,
> > > > > but I would find some SHO owners to help him figure his next 
move.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't know why there is no power, but generally it from bad 
> > plus 
> > > > and/or
> > > > > wires. Even though he may have new plugs, are they gapped 
> > correctly? 
> > > He
> > > > > should be using motor craft, not Bosch. If you can, pull a plug 
> > and 
> > > > check
> > > > > the gap. If he hasn't replaced the plug wires, he should do 
that. 
> > And 
> > > if 
> > > > he
> > > > > has replaced them, with what brand? Another problem with 'lack 
of 
> > > power'
> > > > > could be caused by improper valve adjustment. Did he have that 
> > done 
> > > and 
> > > > if
> > > > > so, was it done correctly?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm also curios about the smoking issue. How bad is it smoking. 
> > What 
> > > > color?
> > > > > 
> > > > > The O2 sensors can cause the computer to run lean or rich, 
> > depending 
> > > on 
> > > > the
> > > > > problem. Usually though, it won't have any effect with WOT (wide 

> > open
> > > > > throttle).
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Al Fitz
> > > > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > > > > .
> > > > > SHO PARTS REQUEST FORM:
> > > > > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > WE ACCEPT MasterCard, Visa. and Discovery
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> > > > 
> > > 
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> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:44 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] SHO IN TOLEDO
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I talked to this guy last night, and am going to go take a 
look 
> > at 
> > > the 
> > > > car
> > > > > > after work today. He has a few problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First is burning oil. Mostly right after startup and when 
> > mashing 
> > > the
> > > > > > go pedal. I'm thinking valve seals right after startup. Would 
> > this 
> > > 
> > > > also
> > > > > > manifest itself when mashing the throttle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Second, he complains the car has little power under 
> > acceleration. 
> > > Less
> > > > > > than other SHOs he's driven. I've heard this complaint alot 
> > lately, 
> > > 
> > > > and
> > > > > > I know there could be lots of reasons for it. Plugs and wires 
> > are 
> > > > fairly
> > > > > > new. Bosch Platinums. The engine in the car was replaced, and 
> > some
> > > > > > work was done on it before it went in. I'm not sure what all 
> > was
> > > > > > replaced,
> > > > > > but one thing I know of is the timing belt. I'm thinking maybe 

> > the 
> > > > belt
> > > > > > was not installed right and the timing's off. I know this can 
> > be 
> > > > checked
> > > > > > through the little inspection cover. How do I check it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The car is a '95 ATX. Not sure of miles; on the car or on the 
> > > engine.
> > > > > > A shop did the engine work and installation in the car. I'll 
> > try to 
> > > 
> > > > get
> > > > > > more info tonight. He says he pulled codes and he thought they 

> > > > referred
> > > > > > to O2 sensors. If O2 sensors are bad, could that affect power 
> > or
> > > > > > acceleration? Give me some ideas of things to look for. TIA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Wojton
> > > > > > Toledo, Ohio
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > > > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -'95 White MTX
> > > > > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 06/18/2003 06:03:28 PM:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a customer in Toledo with engine problems. Initially 
I 
> > > > thought
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > problem was under warranty, but it turns out it's not. Could 

> > > someone 
> > > > in
> > > > > > Toledo
> > > > > > > give him some advice on what to do? Maybe take a look at his 

> > SHO 
> > > and 
> > > > see
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > it's an obvious problem. He just needs some help from the 
SHO 
> > > > community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His name is Trey Jones
> > > > > > > 419 380-8977
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Al Fitz
> > > > > > > http://www.alfitz.com
> > > > > > > NEW & USED SHO PARTS
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > SHO PARTS REQUEST FORM:
> > > > > > > http://www.alfitz.com/sho/parts-form.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WE ACCEPT MasterCard, Visa. and Discovery
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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