WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this

[Ron Nottingham]

This reply is to Noah, who replied privately to me, but is rejecting my
reply....  If you have no interest in this, delete now.

Noah, you obviously don't know C++ ;-)  Hence the void, I did not want
anything back ;-)  But since you wanted to put your 2 cents in, here's mine.

Noah, while you do bring up some good points, I would also offer some
counterpoints.  There are still many in this world with wholesome values
that do make it far (gee, I'm 35, my almost 4000 sq ft house is PAID, AND my
vacation house in FL less than a half mile from the beach, which is almost
paid, did I make it far?).  I had a successful IT business, which I sold, so
I could spend more time with my father before he retires and travels and/or
moves away.  I'm semi-retired, I work 3 days a week, and still make enough
to enjoy life and buy my wife and kids want they need as well as what they
want.  I may not have multi-millions of dollars, but money does not make one
happy, nor successful in my book.

Obviously, Noah, you do not have children, so this is one thing that you
will not understand, but you will if you ever have children (well, your AWA
;-).  Children learn from watching their parents.  Now, if I am explaining
to my children that foul languauge is inappropriate and is really a
substitute for a poor vocabulary, then turn around and have the computer
blast foul language, do you think that my children will believe me?  Do you
think that they would listen to anything else that I tell them?  Probably
not.  Same thing about porn or inappropriate nudity.

No, I am not "hiding" anything from my children, but what values would I be
teaching them if I told them not to do something, and then I do the thing I
tell them not to do?  Kind of a double standard.  As I said earlier,
children learn from watching their parents.

Case in point: My wife had a friend with a 7 y.o. boy.  Almost everything
this child hears from his parents is foul language, and almost everything
that comes out of this kids mouth is foul language.  Now, his parents try to
discipline him when he uses foul language, but it is of no use.  I wonder
why? (rhetorical question)  And yes, my kids were exposed to this other kid,
and yes, I did explain to them the inappropriate behavior (gee, all of us
went to see a Harry Potter movie a year ago, and all this kid said was stuff
like "I don't want no f'n popcorn" "I hate this f'n movie, it's for f'n
babies" "G-D, why in #e!! did I have to f'n come", etc).

BTW, I'd rather my kids be dirt poor and have some morals and values than be
rich without any.

Ron N. - Dalton, GA
90 SHO
89 325i
"It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Noah South III" <raggtopp@comcast.net>

> I hold nothing against you Ron, and I hope you don't take this as an
insult
> or any sign of disrespect, but I would like to note that most of the
people
> making it far in this world now have very little wholesome values and are
> infact from the most current crop of kids.  I implore your efforts to want
> your kids to grow up with decent values, I really honestly do.  What I
> wanted was for you to consider the possibility of what exactly would
happen
> if they were exposed to the things you might deem as inappropriate, and
> couldn't it be possible that if they were to learn about and understand
> these things, they would end up better people in the end.  Knowledge and
> understanding are the key things here, so don't hide things from your
kids,
> instead let them find out about it, and explain it to them.  They will
make
> the right choice in the end, and be better people for it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
>
> > Ron, you didn't miss anything...  Only a Contour/Mystique towing a Gen1.
> >
> > #include "rant.h"
> > void MyRant()
> > {
> > And the music, geez people, let us know if there is ANY profanity or
lewd
> > remarks and/or nudity in this stuff.  Some of us have kids that we are
> > trying our hardest not to over expose to this kind of stuff.  Don't hand
> me
> > this about teaching my kids about the birds and bees and all that, I'm
> > trying to bring my kids up with wholesome values, something missing from
> > most of the current crop of kids.
> > }