WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this

[sho2go]

Thanks, Ron.  I'm sure there are many here who share exactly these same
sentiments.  Noah, as for hiding stuff, lets just say that childhood is a
magical time that ends only too soon.  We don't need to hasten that end with
the ugly stuff that adults do........
Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:28 PM
Subject: WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this


> This reply is to Noah, who replied privately to me, but is rejecting my
> reply....  If you have no interest in this, delete now.
>
> Noah, you obviously don't know C++ ;-)  Hence the void, I did not want
> anything back ;-)  But since you wanted to put your 2 cents in, here's
mine.
>
> Noah, while you do bring up some good points, I would also offer some
> counterpoints.  There are still many in this world with wholesome values
> that do make it far (gee, I'm 35, my almost 4000 sq ft house is PAID, AND
my
> vacation house in FL less than a half mile from the beach, which is almost
> paid, did I make it far?).  I had a successful IT business, which I sold,
so
> I could spend more time with my father before he retires and travels
and/or
> moves away.  I'm semi-retired, I work 3 days a week, and still make enough
> to enjoy life and buy my wife and kids want they need as well as what they
> want.  I may not have multi-millions of dollars, but money does not make
one
> happy, nor successful in my book.
>
> Obviously, Noah, you do not have children, so this is one thing that you
> will not understand, but you will if you ever have children (well, your
AWA
> ;-).  Children learn from watching their parents.  Now, if I am explaining
> to my children that foul languauge is inappropriate and is really a
> substitute for a poor vocabulary, then turn around and have the computer
> blast foul language, do you think that my children will believe me?  Do
you
> think that they would listen to anything else that I tell them?  Probably
> not.  Same thing about porn or inappropriate nudity.
>
> No, I am not "hiding" anything from my children, but what values would I
be
> teaching them if I told them not to do something, and then I do the thing
I
> tell them not to do?  Kind of a double standard.  As I said earlier,
> children learn from watching their parents.
>
> Case in point: My wife had a friend with a 7 y.o. boy.  Almost everything
> this child hears from his parents is foul language, and almost everything
> that comes out of this kids mouth is foul language.  Now, his parents try
to
> discipline him when he uses foul language, but it is of no use.  I wonder
> why? (rhetorical question)  And yes, my kids were exposed to this other
kid,
> and yes, I did explain to them the inappropriate behavior (gee, all of us
> went to see a Harry Potter movie a year ago, and all this kid said was
stuff
> like "I don't want no f'n popcorn" "I hate this f'n movie, it's for f'n
> babies" "G-D, why in #e!! did I have to f'n come", etc).
>
> BTW, I'd rather my kids be dirt poor and have some morals and values than
be
> rich without any.
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
> 89 325i
> "It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile"
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Noah South III" <raggtopp@comcast.net>
>
> > I hold nothing against you Ron, and I hope you don't take this as an
> insult
> > or any sign of disrespect, but I would like to note that most of the
> people
> > making it far in this world now have very little wholesome values and
are
> > infact from the most current crop of kids.  I implore your efforts to
want
> > your kids to grow up with decent values, I really honestly do.  What I
> > wanted was for you to consider the possibility of what exactly would
> happen
> > if they were exposed to the things you might deem as inappropriate, and
> > couldn't it be possible that if they were to learn about and understand
> > these things, they would end up better people in the end.  Knowledge and
> > understanding are the key things here, so don't hide things from your
> kids,
> > instead let them find out about it, and explain it to them.  They will
> make
> > the right choice in the end, and be better people for it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
> >
> > > Ron, you didn't miss anything...  Only a Contour/Mystique towing a
Gen1.
> > >
> > > #include "rant.h"
> > > void MyRant()
> > > {
> > > And the music, geez people, let us know if there is ANY profanity or
> lewd
> > > remarks and/or nudity in this stuff.  Some of us have kids that we are
> > > trying our hardest not to over expose to this kind of stuff.  Don't
hand
> > me
> > > this about teaching my kids about the birds and bees and all that, I'm
> > > trying to bring my kids up with wholesome values, something missing
from
> > > most of the current crop of kids.
> > > }
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