WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this

[Steve Tatro]

What?  Your so-called "vacation house" isn't on the beach?  Not much of
a vacation if you ask me ;^)

Oh, and I enjoy when people find subtle ways to brag about their lives
on this list.  Congratulations on being successful!

Also, don't worry about Noah.  He sounds immature, and has made idiotic
statements before to the entire list.  I'm sure I'm not the only one
that reads his opinions and laughs!

Take care,

Steve "My kids will not have everything, but will have good values
instilled in them" Tatro
Red/Black '93 with 168k miles 
Cincinnati, Ohio 



-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Nottingham
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:28 PM
To: SHOtimes
Subject: WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this


This reply is to Noah, who replied privately to me, but is rejecting my
reply....  If you have no interest in this, delete now.

Noah, you obviously don't know C++ ;-)  Hence the void, I did not want
anything back ;-)  But since you wanted to put your 2 cents in, here's
mine.

Noah, while you do bring up some good points, I would also offer some
counterpoints.  There are still many in this world with wholesome values
that do make it far (gee, I'm 35, my almost 4000 sq ft house is PAID,
AND my vacation house in FL less than a half mile from the beach, which
is almost paid, did I make it far?).  I had a successful IT business,
which I sold, so I could spend more time with my father before he
retires and travels and/or moves away.  I'm semi-retired, I work 3 days
a week, and still make enough to enjoy life and buy my wife and kids
want they need as well as what they want.  I may not have multi-millions
of dollars, but money does not make one happy, nor successful in my
book.

Obviously, Noah, you do not have children, so this is one thing that you
will not understand, but you will if you ever have children (well, your
AWA ;-).  Children learn from watching their parents.  Now, if I am
explaining to my children that foul languauge is inappropriate and is
really a substitute for a poor vocabulary, then turn around and have the
computer blast foul language, do you think that my children will believe
me?  Do you think that they would listen to anything else that I tell
them?  Probably not.  Same thing about porn or inappropriate nudity.

No, I am not "hiding" anything from my children, but what values would I
be teaching them if I told them not to do something, and then I do the
thing I tell them not to do?  Kind of a double standard.  As I said
earlier, children learn from watching their parents.

Case in point: My wife had a friend with a 7 y.o. boy.  Almost
everything this child hears from his parents is foul language, and
almost everything that comes out of this kids mouth is foul language.
Now, his parents try to discipline him when he uses foul language, but
it is of no use.  I wonder why? (rhetorical question)  And yes, my kids
were exposed to this other kid, and yes, I did explain to them the
inappropriate behavior (gee, all of us went to see a Harry Potter movie
a year ago, and all this kid said was stuff like "I don't want no f'n
popcorn" "I hate this f'n movie, it's for f'n babies" "G-D, why in #e!!
did I have to f'n come", etc).

BTW, I'd rather my kids be dirt poor and have some morals and values
than be rich without any.

Ron N. - Dalton, GA
90 SHO
89 325i
"It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile"