WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this
Ron Porter
ronporter@prodigy.net
Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:10:01 -0400
I agree also. There is no benefit to anyone for the kids to learn about foul
language, porno, etc, early in their lives.
And, reading down into Noah's response, Noah's comment:
"I would like to note that most of the people making it far in this world
now have very little wholesome values and are infact from the most current
crop of kids"
is basically 180-degrees off the mark, and not true. Sure, maybe you can
find a few folks that follow this, but it ain't so, Noah. And Noah, exactly
how has your early knowledge of all of the shit in life helped you be
successful? Sorry, dude, but I would put you up as the antithesis of what
Ron wants for his kids.
As Ron says, kids follow their parents' examples. Successful parents with a
good positive outlook on life have kids with the same basic values. This is
the prime issue with trying to break the ignorance and poverty cycle in much
of America.....the parents are losers and are incapable of setting a proper
example.
The whole attitude about "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" is
not an issue totally related to financial net worth.
Ron Porter
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Subject: Re: WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this
Thanks, Ron. I'm sure there are many here who share exactly these same
sentiments. Noah, as for hiding stuff, lets just say that childhood is a
magical time that ends only too soon. We don't need to hasten that end with
the ugly stuff that adults do........
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:28 PM
Subject: WOB - OT - was Re: [Shotimes] you have to see this
> This reply is to Noah, who replied privately to me, but is rejecting my
> reply.... If you have no interest in this, delete now.
>
> Noah, you obviously don't know C++ ;-) Hence the void, I did not want
> anything back ;-) But since you wanted to put your 2 cents in, here's
mine.
>
> Noah, while you do bring up some good points, I would also offer some
> counterpoints. There are still many in this world with wholesome values
> that do make it far (gee, I'm 35, my almost 4000 sq ft house is PAID, AND
my
> vacation house in FL less than a half mile from the beach, which is almost
> paid, did I make it far?). I had a successful IT business, which I sold,
so
> I could spend more time with my father before he retires and travels
and/or
> moves away. I'm semi-retired, I work 3 days a week, and still make enough
> to enjoy life and buy my wife and kids want they need as well as what they
> want. I may not have multi-millions of dollars, but money does not make
one
> happy, nor successful in my book.
>
> Obviously, Noah, you do not have children, so this is one thing that you
> will not understand, but you will if you ever have children (well, your
AWA
> ;-). Children learn from watching their parents. Now, if I am explaining
> to my children that foul languauge is inappropriate and is really a
> substitute for a poor vocabulary, then turn around and have the computer
> blast foul language, do you think that my children will believe me? Do
you
> think that they would listen to anything else that I tell them? Probably
> not. Same thing about porn or inappropriate nudity.
>
> No, I am not "hiding" anything from my children, but what values would I
be
> teaching them if I told them not to do something, and then I do the thing
I
> tell them not to do? Kind of a double standard. As I said earlier,
> children learn from watching their parents.
>
> Case in point: My wife had a friend with a 7 y.o. boy. Almost everything
> this child hears from his parents is foul language, and almost everything
> that comes out of this kids mouth is foul language. Now, his parents try
to
> discipline him when he uses foul language, but it is of no use. I wonder
> why? (rhetorical question) And yes, my kids were exposed to this other
kid,
> and yes, I did explain to them the inappropriate behavior (gee, all of us
> went to see a Harry Potter movie a year ago, and all this kid said was
stuff
> like "I don't want no f'n popcorn" "I hate this f'n movie, it's for f'n
> babies" "G-D, why in #e!! did I have to f'n come", etc).
>
> BTW, I'd rather my kids be dirt poor and have some morals and values than
be
> rich without any.
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
> 89 325i
> "It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noah South III" <raggtopp@comcast.net>
>
> > I hold nothing against you Ron, and I hope you don't take this as an
> insult
> > or any sign of disrespect, but I would like to note that most of the
> people
> > making it far in this world now have very little wholesome values and
are
> > infact from the most current crop of kids. I implore your efforts to
want
> > your kids to grow up with decent values, I really honestly do. What I
> > wanted was for you to consider the possibility of what exactly would
> happen
> > if they were exposed to the things you might deem as inappropriate, and
> > couldn't it be possible that if they were to learn about and understand
> > these things, they would end up better people in the end. Knowledge and
> > understanding are the key things here, so don't hide things from your
> kids,
> > instead let them find out about it, and explain it to them. They will
> make
> > the right choice in the end, and be better people for it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
> >
> > > Ron, you didn't miss anything... Only a Contour/Mystique towing a
Gen1.
> > >
> > > #include "rant.h"
> > > void MyRant()
> > > {
> > > And the music, geez people, let us know if there is ANY profanity or
> lewd
> > > remarks and/or nudity in this stuff. Some of us have kids that we are
> > > trying our hardest not to over expose to this kind of stuff. Don't
hand
> > me
> > > this about teaching my kids about the birds and bees and all that, I'm
> > > trying to bring my kids up with wholesome values, something missing
from
> > > most of the current crop of kids.
> > > }
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