[Shotimes] WAY OT- TCCA

Bob and Anonda bobnanonda@cox.net
Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:58:15 -0400 

So to get this straight, TCCA members should go to SHOforum to get your mods
list?  Maybe you did put it there, I don't go there often so I have not
checked,  but it was asked for on the TCCA.

The downward spiral thing is bullshit.  There are many more successful meets
now than ever, and our first annual is this year.  Maybe the content is not
what you're looking for, but that's an individual opinion.  Not every list
is going to satisfy everyone. Heck, I find this one boring as hell, although
it is the first place I would come for info on my 89, provided Kirk or Fred
did not have an answer.

The V8 list is entertaining, and there's really not a lot of available
subjects car related for the Gen 3's.  Everything has pretty much been
covered at one point or another. As the cars get older and different
maintenance issues come up, I expect the list will take a turn more towards
the content of this list.

As far as TCCA bashing, it's been done by you in the past "Burn down the
TCCA"? So that's what I base my opinions on.  I know, it was said because
you got banned or something, but that tag line was in your sig on many
forums even after the ban was lifted.  You took out your frustrations with
an individual on a whole club.

Anyhow, I suppose this discussion could go on for weeks.  Most SHO people do
not find what they need on the TCCA, and that's what I'm looking to change.
There has been a regular influx of registrations from the SHOforum, as well
as the V8 list.  We are headed in the right direction already.

As far as presenting a challenge to you, and "dumbfounfing" the members, the
point is to present the information in a manner that the general public can
use.  In example, I put a Diablo Chip in a customer's car last week.  All
most people want to know is how it will change the car in terms of throttle
response, acceleration, top speed, etc.  Only the true gearheads will want
to know every last spec of the fuel and ignition tables, etc.  I feel that
"dumbfounding" posts are made to make the poster sound that much more
intelligent, all the while confusing the members.  Needless, IMO.

Well, there's my biased viewpoint, like it or not.  : )

My apologies to the list for going so OT.

Bob Gervais
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>
To: "Bob and Anonda" <bobnanonda@cox.net>; "Ron Porter"
<ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: [Shotimes] WAY OT- TCCA


> Bob,
>
> I didn't mean to come off as cocky.  In fact that same night I listed all
of
> my mods in the "bragging rights" post on SHOforum.  After doing so much,
> it's hard to remember a lot of the smaller things.  I'm not even sure the
> list on SHOforum is complete.
>
> I posted in your Super Vulc post and found that most were less then
> interested.  It seems that people actually don't want to move beyond
intakes
> and exhausts.  My car is fast because of what I have and I will answer
> anyone that wants to know what I have on it.  I am not the type of person
> that walks around and says that there car is "stock" when asked what they
> did to make it fast.  No one learns that way.
>
> On the same token, I don't get any challenge from TCCA.  It's no fun when
> it's one person making all the technical posts and then when you do make a
> technical post everyone is dumbfounded and confused and no one replies.
>
> This isn't TCCA bashing, rather it's just the TCCA.  It's the truth.  I
> don't hate anyone on that forum or look down on it, which is the
assumption
> you seem to have made.  I made a lot of friends there back in the old
days,
> but the content has gone from bad to worse.
>
> Email me something I can do to help you, tech articles, posting questions,
> stirring up new topics, etc, and I'm happy to help, but until I see that
> there is some kind of knowledge being gained I will continue to be a SHO
> Forum/ SHO times list/ SHOcago junky and stand by what I said.
>
> Mike Kopstain
> Midwest SHO Specialists
> 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> www.MidwestSHO.com
> Sales@midwestsho.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob and Anonda" <bobnanonda@cox.net>
> To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "Ron Porter"
> <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
>
>
> > I agree it gets frustrating at times, however the thread I started on
> > building a SuperVulc was not commented on by many of the same people
that
> > complain about too many exhaust and intake questions.  Lemme make it
> simple
> > of whom I mean, you, Mike.  Your SLO runs great from what you say, but
you
> > either will not, or cannot, discuss the mods you have done to make it
run
> > quickly.  I'm referring to the SLO vs. SHO post.  You said you kept up
and
> > even pulled on a SHO, albeit one that was running poorly, but then
"could
> > not remember" what mods you had done.
> >
> > Weird.  I'm 35 and I can remember everything I've done to my rides over
> the
> > years.
> >
> > To sum up, I like ya Mike, but this "exhaust/intake" thing will only
stop
> if
> > the experienced people speak up about what they've done, and what it's
> > accomplished.
> >
> > Bob Gervais
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>
> > To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'"
<niks@dlogue.net>;
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> >
> >
> > > Gonna have to go with Ron on this one...  There isn't much technical
> > advice
> > > being tossed around over there, with the exception of Mr Nimz, Bob
> > Gervais,
> > > and some others.  Unfortunetly it's not even a good place for kids to
> > begin
> > > to learn about cars as it appears to be the blind leading the blind.
> > >
> > > Anyone for an intake or an exhaust question?! :-)
> > >
> > > Mike Kopstain
> > > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > >
> > >
> > > > At least 3 out of 4 posts are about the cars, not the other way
> around!!
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:43 AM
> > > > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh I don't know, there is plenty on this list too.....
> > > >
> > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > '97 TR
> > > > '93 EG mtx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > To: "'Kevin & Cheryl Airth'" <clubairth@peoplepc.com>; "'Roush,
> Norman'"
> > > > <norman.roush@hp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:40 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > He should get to the actual forum with the link below, but here's
> the
> > > > exact
> > > > > one:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.tauruscarclub.com/forum/index.php
> > > > >
> > > > > Warning; If he is over 21, he will feel like a "grandpa" on that
> > list!!
> > > > The
> > > > > only thing that rivals the V8 SHO listserv for juvenile behavior
is
> > the
> > > > TCCA
> > > > > Forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Kevin & Cheryl Airth
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:13 PM
> > > > > To: Roush, Norman; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Norman:
> > > > >  Try this:
> > > > > http://www.tauruscarclub.com/forum/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > My neighbor has a 93 Taurus SLO and is looking for some upgrade
> > help.
> > > > > IIRC, there's a dlist for SLO owners that might be helpful.  If
any
> of
> > > you
> > > > > know it can you send it to me off-line?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > 95 ATX
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