[Shotimes] WAY OT- TCCA

sho2go srfdude@cox.net
Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:23:21 -0700


I'm a little puzzled why you folks are flaming each other regarding another
board?  How about taking it somewhere else.  We got enough of our own
problems here ;-) but not sure if you think we are going to rush over to
join the TCCA after seeing all this crap?
Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob and Anonda" <bobnanonda@cox.net>
To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "Ron Porter"
<ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] WAY OT- TCCA


> So to get this straight, TCCA members should go to SHOforum to get your
mods
> list?  Maybe you did put it there, I don't go there often so I have not
> checked,  but it was asked for on the TCCA.
>
> The downward spiral thing is bullshit.  There are many more successful
meets
> now than ever, and our first annual is this year.  Maybe the content is
not
> what you're looking for, but that's an individual opinion.  Not every list
> is going to satisfy everyone. Heck, I find this one boring as hell,
although
> it is the first place I would come for info on my 89, provided Kirk or
Fred
> did not have an answer.
>
> The V8 list is entertaining, and there's really not a lot of available
> subjects car related for the Gen 3's.  Everything has pretty much been
> covered at one point or another. As the cars get older and different
> maintenance issues come up, I expect the list will take a turn more
towards
> the content of this list.
>
> As far as TCCA bashing, it's been done by you in the past "Burn down the
> TCCA"? So that's what I base my opinions on.  I know, it was said because
> you got banned or something, but that tag line was in your sig on many
> forums even after the ban was lifted.  You took out your frustrations with
> an individual on a whole club.
>
> Anyhow, I suppose this discussion could go on for weeks.  Most SHO people
do
> not find what they need on the TCCA, and that's what I'm looking to
change.
> There has been a regular influx of registrations from the SHOforum, as
well
> as the V8 list.  We are headed in the right direction already.
>
> As far as presenting a challenge to you, and "dumbfounfing" the members,
the
> point is to present the information in a manner that the general public
can
> use.  In example, I put a Diablo Chip in a customer's car last week.  All
> most people want to know is how it will change the car in terms of
throttle
> response, acceleration, top speed, etc.  Only the true gearheads will want
> to know every last spec of the fuel and ignition tables, etc.  I feel that
> "dumbfounding" posts are made to make the poster sound that much more
> intelligent, all the while confusing the members.  Needless, IMO.
>
> Well, there's my biased viewpoint, like it or not.  : )
>
> My apologies to the list for going so OT.
>
> Bob Gervais
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>
> To: "Bob and Anonda" <bobnanonda@cox.net>; "Ron Porter"
> <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:07 PM
> Subject: [Shotimes] WAY OT- TCCA
>
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > I didn't mean to come off as cocky.  In fact that same night I listed
all
> of
> > my mods in the "bragging rights" post on SHOforum.  After doing so much,
> > it's hard to remember a lot of the smaller things.  I'm not even sure
the
> > list on SHOforum is complete.
> >
> > I posted in your Super Vulc post and found that most were less then
> > interested.  It seems that people actually don't want to move beyond
> intakes
> > and exhausts.  My car is fast because of what I have and I will answer
> > anyone that wants to know what I have on it.  I am not the type of
person
> > that walks around and says that there car is "stock" when asked what
they
> > did to make it fast.  No one learns that way.
> >
> > On the same token, I don't get any challenge from TCCA.  It's no fun
when
> > it's one person making all the technical posts and then when you do make
a
> > technical post everyone is dumbfounded and confused and no one replies.
> >
> > This isn't TCCA bashing, rather it's just the TCCA.  It's the truth.  I
> > don't hate anyone on that forum or look down on it, which is the
> assumption
> > you seem to have made.  I made a lot of friends there back in the old
> days,
> > but the content has gone from bad to worse.
> >
> > Email me something I can do to help you, tech articles, posting
questions,
> > stirring up new topics, etc, and I'm happy to help, but until I see that
> > there is some kind of knowledge being gained I will continue to be a SHO
> > Forum/ SHO times list/ SHOcago junky and stand by what I said.
> >
> > Mike Kopstain
> > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob and Anonda" <bobnanonda@cox.net>
> > To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "Ron Porter"
> > <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>;
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> >
> >
> > > I agree it gets frustrating at times, however the thread I started on
> > > building a SuperVulc was not commented on by many of the same people
> that
> > > complain about too many exhaust and intake questions.  Lemme make it
> > simple
> > > of whom I mean, you, Mike.  Your SLO runs great from what you say, but
> you
> > > either will not, or cannot, discuss the mods you have done to make it
> run
> > > quickly.  I'm referring to the SLO vs. SHO post.  You said you kept up
> and
> > > even pulled on a SHO, albeit one that was running poorly, but then
> "could
> > > not remember" what mods you had done.
> > >
> > > Weird.  I'm 35 and I can remember everything I've done to my rides
over
> > the
> > > years.
> > >
> > > To sum up, I like ya Mike, but this "exhaust/intake" thing will only
> stop
> > if
> > > the experienced people speak up about what they've done, and what it's
> > > accomplished.
> > >
> > > Bob Gervais
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>
> > > To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'Paul Nimz'"
> <niks@dlogue.net>;
> > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gonna have to go with Ron on this one...  There isn't much technical
> > > advice
> > > > being tossed around over there, with the exception of Mr Nimz, Bob
> > > Gervais,
> > > > and some others.  Unfortunetly it's not even a good place for kids
to
> > > begin
> > > > to learn about cars as it appears to be the blind leading the blind.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone for an intake or an exhaust question?! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Mike Kopstain
> > > > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > > > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > > > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > > > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > > > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > At least 3 out of 4 posts are about the cars, not the other way
> > around!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:43 AM
> > > > > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh I don't know, there is plenty on this list too.....
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > > '97 TR
> > > > > '93 EG mtx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > > To: "'Kevin & Cheryl Airth'" <clubairth@peoplepc.com>; "'Roush,
> > Norman'"
> > > > > <norman.roush@hp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:40 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > He should get to the actual forum with the link below, but
here's
> > the
> > > > > exact
> > > > > > one:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.tauruscarclub.com/forum/index.php
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Warning; If he is over 21, he will feel like a "grandpa" on that
> > > list!!
> > > > > The
> > > > > > only thing that rivals the V8 SHO listserv for juvenile behavior
> is
> > > the
> > > > > TCCA
> > > > > > Forum.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Kevin & Cheryl Airth
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:13 PM
> > > > > > To: Roush, Norman; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- Looking for Taurus SLO dlist
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Norman:
> > > > > >  Try this:
> > > > > > http://www.tauruscarclub.com/forum/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > My neighbor has a 93 Taurus SLO and is looking for some
upgrade
> > > help.
> > > > > > IIRC, there's a dlist for SLO owners that might be helpful.  If
> any
> > of
> > > > you
> > > > > > know it can you send it to me off-line?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > 95 ATX
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