[Shotimes] FW: "Hillman - " OFF TOPIC GAS ELECTRIC DRIVE

[James White]

Yes,interesting.

But the good Doktor, I think, had his scale wrong.

Think that diesel railroad locomotives work on this generator-electric motor
principle and have for the last 60 years or so.

regards, Jim White - greensho@crown.net

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Subject: [Shotimes] FW: "Hillman - " OFF TOPIC GAS ELECTRIC DRIVE


> Interesting information...
>
> Dave R
>
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> From: owner-hillman@can-inc.com [mailto:owner-hillman@can-inc.com]On
> Behalf Of Jan Eyerman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:29 PM
> To: Will Owen; Louise Cross
> Cc: hillman@can-inc.com
> Subject: "Hillman - " OFF TOPIC GAS ELECTRIC DRIVE
>
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>
> The Owen magnettic was not really a generator/motor set up.  What they did
> was
> to use electricity as sort of a clutch and torque converter.  That is-the
> gas
> engine was attached to the "field" and the drive shaft to the "armature",
> then
> back at the rear end was a second similar set up.  When the gas engine
> turned
> faster then the drive shaft, it generated electricity which provided power
> to
> the second "motor".  As the drive shaft speed matched the engine speed,
the
> system stopped generating power and essentially became a one to one match.
>
> Interesting idea.  Too bad it didn't work out.
>
> Old Doctor Porsche seemed to have loved gas-electric drive.  He built lots
> of
> cars and truck using it, but the most outstanding examples of his work was
a
> World War I artillary tractor for the Austrian-Hungarian army and his
World
> War "Elefant" using diesel electric drive.  Porsche, as we all know (wink)
> was
> from Czechoslovakia and worked for a time under Hans Ledwinka (the
designer
> of
> the Tatra).
>
> Jan Eyerman- who loves his Prius almost as much as he loves his Hillmans!
>
>
>
> Will Owen <nashwill912@earthlink.net> wrote:
> This message forwarded by the Hillman List.
>
> Louise Cross wrote:
> >
> > This message forwarded by the Hillman List.
> >
> > G'day all,
> > I thought the hybrid cars used electric power
> > generated from leftover power generated whilst the car
> > was running (not sure I'm explaining it very well
> > sorry), I  have  in  my mind a dynamo arrangement?...
> > The car starts on conventional fuel but then switches
> > to it's own electric power?
>
> It's actually a pretty old idea: using an internal combustion engine to
> power a generator to drive one or more electric motors. The pre-WW1 Owen
> Magnetic (no relation to me AFAIK) had a generator/motor in line with
> its engine in lieu of a clutch and gearbox. The Lohner-Porsches of
> around the same time, designed by Dr. Ferdinand of course, used a
> generator to drive four motors, one integral with each wheel (lots of
> unsprung weight there, but they hadn't started worrying about that yet).
> The downfall of these designs was the primitive state of gasoline
> engines, generators, and electric motors, which translated into
> humongous weight and a lot of wasted energy. Modern hybrids, such as
> those from Toyota and Honda, benefit from light, efficient versions of
> all these components. Their operating strategies vary, but basically
> they use the engine by itself sometimes, the motor by itself sometimes,
> both when they're needed. The engine never idles, but shuts off at
> stops, and is quietly and unobtrusively restarted when the pedal is
> pressed. I haven't driven one, but those who have generally find it
> rather charming.
>
> Will Owen
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