[Shotimes] Car will not start after valve lash adjustment (long)

Mon, 5 May 2003 19:37:56 -0500

Why I oughtta! :>)

Mike Kopstain
Midwest SHO Specialists
827 North Chestnut Avenue
Arlington Heights, IL 60004
www.MidwestSHO.com
Sales@midwestsho.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>
To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Car will not start after valve lash adjustment
(long)

> LOL I'd pay money to see that in a video. Where's the downloadable link on
> www.midwest sho.com?
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>
> To: "Ken Johnson" <kenjo@attbi.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Car will not start after valve lash adjustment
> (long)
>
>
> > Ken, All is not lost.  I had a customer use a full can of Berrymans in
his
> > heads and then try to start the motor.  Needless to say, it locked and
> > didn't start.
> >
> > Enter me, I took all the plugs out and turned the motor over a few
times.
> I
> > got shot with Berrymans in the eye.  It's not fun, despite what most
say.
> > Put the plugs back in, car still sounds like it's running with no
> > compression and it doesn't start.  The plugs had fouled.  Cleaned them,
> > reinstalled them, and all was well.
> >
> > Give it a try.  If the motor is turning over and not backfiring, you're
> > close. :>)
> >
> > Mike Kopstain
> > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Johnson" <kenjo@attbi.com>
> > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Car will not start after valve lash adjustment
> > (long)
> >
> >
> > > I did use carb cleaner on the heads.  But that was two weeks ago
> wouldn't
> > > most of the liquid hace evaporated by now ?  The thing I am most
> concerned
> > > about is that the car started and now it will not.  When it was
running
> it
> > > something happened......something got screwed up in the valve train
and
> > and
> > > the timing belt snaped.  The way the engine is spinning the whole
dance
> is
> > > not working.
> > >
> > > - ground strap is attached on left rear intake support bolt the
sequence
> > is
> > > like this, nut ground strap electrical harness bracket then the nut
that
> > is
> > > part of the stud then it goes into the intake.
> > >
> > > - DIS is connected.
> > >
> > > - where is the TPS connector, I seem to remember it is a single
> connection
> > > from when I replaced it on my '91.  That could  foul things up but the
> > > engine would not spin like this even if the computer did not know
where
> > the
> > > crank was.
> > >
> > > Tell me more about the carb cleaner in the cylinder head...liquid is
> > > incompressible fluid and then turn the car and what breaks ?
> > >
> > > I have to pull the cover off the timing belt housing and see if she is
> > > turning.  That is pretty easy to get to.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Donelson Don" <1badsho@mail.tnh.net>
> > > To: "Ken Johnson" <kenjo@attbi.com>
> > > Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Car will not start after valve lash adjustment
> > > (long)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Did u put carb cleanor down the heads .. were the intake bolts too
or
> > just
> > > on the runners only ?  BIG NO NO
> > > >
> > > > I would check your ground strap that hooks to the back of the
intake.
> > > >
> > > > Also make sure u re-attached your DIS connections. The do-hicky on
the
> > > front of the motor. If they arent properly seated your motor wont
start.
> > > >
> > > > make sure your TPS sensor is hooked up and your maff
> > > >
> > > > dond
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > From: "Ken Johnson" <kenjo@attbi.com>
> > > > Date:  Mon, 5 May 2003 17:07:55 -0400
> > > >
> > > > >This is not the first time I have pulled the SHO engine apart
enough
> to
> > > get
> > > > >the valve shims but this is the first time that I have actually
> removed
> > > and
> > > > >replaced shims.  The previous time I pulled the valve covers was
> > because
> > > there
> > > > >was oil in the plug wells of my '91 but at that time I was not
> > interested
> > > in
> > > > >the valve lash.
> > > > >
> > > > >Here is what I did to get my car not to start. Did all the obvious
> > things
> > > you
> > > > >got to do to get to the cams, pulled the hood, intake and valve
> covers.
> > > I
> > > > >used my Helm service manual and the Stage II cam installation video
> as
> > > > >reference.  I got the tappet depressor and holder from the SHO
Shop.
> > > > >
> > > > >Notables
> > > > >1) The only deviation from the video that I did not think was a big
> > deal
> > > but
> > > > >maybe it was.....in order to measure all the gaps I was bumping the
> > > starter to
> > > > >turn the cams in the video they put a wrench on the fly wheel but
> since
> > I
> > > was
> > > > >not doing a timing belt I was not interested in pulling that side
of
> > the
> > > car
> > > > >apart.
> > > > >2) When I measured the gaps two weeks ago prior to ordering the
shims
> I
> > > got
> > > > >about .002" larger gaps than I got when I got back into the car
after
> > > > >recieving the shims I thought I needed to bring everything back
into
> > > spec. So
> > > > >an exhaust that was .016" needing to be replaced was now coming up
> > > .013-.014
> > > > >with the original shim.  I found this out because as I was
installing
> > the
> > > new
> > > > >shims the resulting gap was much smaller than I had orginally
> > calculated.
> > > The
> > > > >only thing I can think of is engine temperature, Ii believe I drove
> the
> > > car
> > > > >from the street into my driveway the morning of the initial
> > measurements
> > > so if
> > > > >anything the motor was warmer the day of the intial measurements
and
> > > unless
> > > > >there are dissimilar materials in the valve train I can not see why
I
> > > would
> > > > >get a smaller gap 2 weeks later with the same shim with a colder
> > engine.
> > > > >Anyway I ended up only replacing 2 exhaust shims when originally I
> had
> > > planned
> > > > >on replacing about 5 total shims.  I just could not put the motor
> back
> > > > >together with an intake gap at .004".
> > > > >3) New plugs and new wires installed (checked the firing order
> already
> > > and it
> > > > >is OK)
> > > > >4) Put small amount of dielectric grease on both ends of the plug
> wire
> > > prior
> > > > >to installation (have not done this during previous R&R of plugs
and
> > > wires but
> > > > >heard this was a good thing to do, yes?)
> > > > >5) New gasket for the valve covers, RTV'd the plug well seals.
> > > > >6) New gasket for the intake manifold.
> > > > >7) cleaned the intake manifold by hand with carb cleaner
> > > > >8) cleaned IAB valve per instructions on FAQ
> > > > >9) cleaned intak on cylinder head with carb cleaner - basically a
lot
> > of
> > > carb
> > > > >cleaner all around.
> > > > >
> > > > >Put everything back together (as far as I know).  On the intial key
> > turn
> > > the
> > > > >engine starts quickly and dies just as all the other SHOs I have
used
> > > carb
> > > > >cleaner to clean the intake.  Turn the key again and engine just
> turns
> > > but
> > > > >sounds pretty normal.  Turn the key the third time and the engine
> > spins.
> > > I say
> > > > >spin because it sounds more like someone pulled all the plugs out
> > before
> > > I
> > > > >turned the key this last time.  Engine seems to be turnning faster
> now
> > > and
> > > > >with less resistance as if there is not much compression going on
in
> > the
> > > > >engine.
> > > > >
> > > > >Pulled the KOEO codes since that is all the car will do now and all
I
> > get
> > > is
> > > > >111 (system pass) and 542 (fuel pump secondary circuit failure).
The
> > > second
> > > > >code shows some promise but when I turn the key I can hear the fuel
> > pump
> > > > >charging so I believe the pump is working.  Need to get my hands on
a
> > > > >compression gauge.
> > > > >
> > > > >HELP   !!
> > > > >Ken Johnson
> > > > >'95 Blue MTX will not start
> > > > >'91 Mocha Mocha runs fine
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> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > dond
> > > > 91 Super SHO II
> > > >
> > > > All work & assembly done by yours truly  : )
> > > >
> > > > -3.2 ATX block
> > > > -FPS hi-flow heads w/  over sized valves
> > > > -Stage I cams
> > > > -SHONUT adjustable timing sprockets
> > > > -Ported intake & runners
> > > > -Ported and extrude honed exhaust manifolds
> > > > -Hi-flow catless Y pipe
> > > > -Hi-flow exhaust
> > > > -BBB
> > > > -SHO SHOP T.B.
> > > > -SHONUT phenolic spacers
> > > > -Quaife
> > > > -CAI
> > > > -UDP
> > > > ****
> > > > -Cowl hood
> > > > -Momo 17x8 rims
> > > > -Police grill
> > > > -Custom two tone interior
> > > > -Complete sunpro gauges
> > > > oil temp / water temp / oil pressure
> > > > ****
> > > > -Tokico shocks/Eibach springs
> > > > -Polyurethane at all corners
> > > > -Solid-sub frame bushings
> > > > -Frame stiffners
> > > > -Adjustable rear control arms
> > > > -Battery located in trunk for better weight distrubution
> > > > ****
> > > > -12" rotors at all four corners
> > > > -Steel braided lines
> > > >
> > > >
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