[Shotimes] M3 vs. GSX part 2 (long)

[Ron Porter]

Yes, it's not needed for a 90-degree V8, but the 60-degree that the V8 SHO
uses needs one to be smooth.

The "best" way would be to shorten the timing chain and eliminate the need
for an idler pulley. I'm sure that those kits for the DSMs just adds an
idler or has a shorter belt/chain.

FWIW, the basic reason that the Gen 3 has the 60-degree engine is that the
90-degree SHO V6 won't fit.

Ron Porter 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Murray [mailto:fordsho@cloud9grafx.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:12 PM
To: 'Ron Porter'; SHOTimes; pmnimz@V8SHO.com
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] M3 vs. GSX part 2 (long)


Isn't it very uncommon for a V8 to have balance shafts to begin with?  I
always heard the more cylinders, the smoother the engine, but an inline
engine is smoother than a V style.  There are balance shaft removal kits
sold for the DSMs and Conquest/Starion's, maybe see what they include to
get an idea of what might be needed for the V8.

Bill Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:15 AM
To: 'Bill Murray'; 'Paul Nimz'; 'SHOTimes'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] M3 vs. GSX part 2 (long)

Thinking about it again, the balance may end up being OK, but the engine
will not be smooth. It will shake just like a........60-degree V8.

Ron Porter 

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Murray
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:42 AM
To: 'Paul Nimz'; SHOTimes
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] M3 vs. GSX part 2 (long)


Removing rotating mass can't hurt to get HP.  Though I guess it could
shake your engine to pieces which might be a bad thing.  ;)  Don't you
have an extra engine laying around collecting dust?  Sounds like a
summer project.

Bill Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:14 AM
To: Bill Murray; SHOTimes
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] M3 vs. GSX part 2 (long)

You mean if I remove the balance shaft from my '97 I can gain HP???????

Paul Nimz
'97 TR SHO
'93 EG mtx SHO


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Murray" <fordsho@cloud9grafx.com>
To: "'Randy Smith'" <RandyMTU98@comcast.net>; "SHOTimes"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] M3 vs. GSX part 2 (long)


> Just on observation on his accout...  One of the common first mods on
a
> DSM is to remove the balance shafts, I've heard gain of 20 or more hp
is
> not unreasonable.  If hes push 450 at the crank, why does he still
have
> the balance shafts, seems a little strange to me.
>
> Bill Murray 

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