[Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
Steve Tatro
stevetatro@att.net
Fri, 9 May 2003 14:45:45 -0400
I don't think he's saying that at all. Didn't his original email
indicate "OBO"? That typically means he's open to reasonable offers.
It may not be worth $3200 to Paul Fisher. It may be worth near that
amount for somebody in the market for a late Gen2, MTX, with mods, blue
in color.
He's just looking for the right buyer. Nothing wrong with that!
I don't see anything wrong with asking significantly more than "average"
book values. Heck, what else can you buy for around $3k that's roomy,
sporty, fun to drive, has a well-built engine, has been reasonably
maintained, has some fresh paint, has a decent list of modifications,
and you know the car's history? I'm making a list of other $3k cars I
could buy. I see a bunch of mid-to-late-90's Chevrolets, Pontiacs,
Dodges. I also see some early 90's Accords, Camry's, etc. What I don't
see are any Mercedes, or BMWs, or Audis, etc.
For $3k, a good-looking SHO is a steal in my book. The right buyer will
agree with me, and will buy Randy's car.
Steve Tatro
Red/Black '93 with 167k miles
Cincinnati, Ohio
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul L Fisher
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:22 PM
To: Dembik William; RandyMTU98@comcast.net; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
OK..... This is my last post on this thread. What Randy is saying is "If
someone out there won't pay me $3200 for it, I'm going to trade it in at
the dealer for $1500" instead of asking a reasonable price somewhere
between the two and pocketing some extra money. I understand the whole
asking price thing but let's not be silly! It's a 9 year old car with
168,000 miles on it and a manual transmission and some stuff that needs
fixing!
Paul L Fisher
'93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 172K Build date 11/18/1992
- K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
Holley 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
Performance-Plus Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade,
Proportioning valve plugs, Delrin sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000
0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
Get $5 free from Paypal! https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=P3XEFFBFUFKN6
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dembik William" <billyho38@hotmail.com>
To: <RandyMTU98@comcast.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
> Randy,
> I agree with ya, My mtx 95' moonlight blue SHO has 115,000 on her
> and the book value is low on her too. Some people think its a good
> asking price, others may not. Ask what you think is a right price and
> by the
sounds
> of it, your in the ballpark. Hell i got offered $3650 for my car and
> its plan stock, which to some people may seem obsurdly high. But
> people pay
for
> what they want. And try to find a nicer, faster, sportier car for the
loot!
> You can't. Just my opinion.
>
> --Will
>
> >From: Randy Smith <RandyMTU98@comcast.net>
> >To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
> >Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:22:32 -0400
> >
> >Well, knowing SHO's I'm confident that the car will be back in top
> >condition with little money and a little time. Add to that the 100%
> >known history, fresh paint over much of the car, probably 2-2500
> >worth of bolt on performance parts (including tokico struts which I
> >now understand to be out of production indefinitely)
> >
> >Take a look at other cars that sell for 1500-2500 and I think what
> >the others have said about these guides not fitting performance cars
> >is very true.
> >
> >Nobody likes being publicly told they are out of their minds with
> >regard to the price of something for sale. Don't want it? Don't buy
> >it. Think I really am clueless? Let me know privately rather than
> >trying to embarass me on the list.
> >
> >At any rate, that's how I justify the 800 over KBB. I also went on
> >Traderonline and looked at what is available around the country right
> >now.
> >
> >With the responses I've seen here regarding price, I'm confident my
> >price is in the ballpark. I also don't want to start a fight, but I
> >just think it would be more appropriate to make these types of
> >discussions private.
> >
> >Peace.
> >
> >Randy
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Paul L Fisher <sho@paul-fisher.com>
> >Date: Friday, May 9, 2003 12:52 pm
> >Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
> >
> > > I used '94 Ford, Taurus, SHO, put in 168000 miles, dark blue,
> > > sell, didn't click on any options, since it is stripped and
> > > clicked on 'outstanding' even
> > > though it barely fits the 'average' category. $964 trade-in, $1679
> > > private,$2894 dealer.
> > >
> > > The poster himself said that KBB said $2400. I'm just wondering
> > > how he justifies $800 over KBB and almost double Edmunds. I'm not
> > > trying to start a
> > > fight, just want to know the logic behind it.
> > >
> > > Paul L Fisher
> > > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 172K Build date
> > > 11/18/1992
> > > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-
> > > back, Holley
> > > 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
Performance-
> > > PlusStainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade, Proportioning valve
> > > plugs, Delrin
> > > sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic
> > > ATF.
> > > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> > > Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
> > >
> > > Get $5 free from Paypal!
> > > https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=P3XEFFBFUFKN6
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'shotimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:31 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree with Mark, the price guides are not valid for SHOs. Gen
> > > 3s, the
> > > > guides are priced far above what they actually sell for. OTOH,
> > > low-mileage
> > > > creampuff Gen 1s are worth way over the book.....except to
> > > > insurance companies.
> > > >
> > > > Paul, I don't know where you got your Edmunds prices, but I get:
> > > >
> > > > $1,534 (trade-in) $2,179 (private party) and $3,254 (dealer
> > > > retail)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.edmunds.com/used/1994/ford/taurus/11018/options.html?
> >tid=edmunds.
> > > > u.tmvmipmake.tmvpricetable..1.Ford*
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > [shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Nunnally
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:16 PM
> > > > To: shotimes
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > OK. www.edmunds.com says this car in OUTSTANDING condition is
> > > $1679. Why
> > > > is
> > > > > it worth double that?
> > > >
> > > > That seems pretty low to me. For the condition of the car,
> > > being a
> > > > fairly rare blue gen MTX, with the extra parts and the bolt-ons,
> > > I sure
> > > > don't think his asking price is out of line.
> > > >
> > > > FWIW I don't put any stock into KBB or edmonds with SHO's, for
> > > > an
> > > enthusiast
> > > > type car, those numbers dont' mean much to me. It's worth
> > > > whatever
> > > somebody
> > > > is willing to pay, that may be higher or lower!
> > > >
> > > > mark
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