[Shotimes] Re: Was ? Now Abuse?

[Ian Fisher]

Ron
I think the forum has changed a bit. It does have its ups and downs but
the type of traffic there is little different than what's on here. In
all honesty, there's a lot of new stuff that's discussed over there that
isn't ever heard about on the list.  

I disagree about your drag racing, auto-x and track work comments. Even
the Ford shop manual (Helm's) troubleshooting sections include reasons
for problems including "aggressive driving, abusive handling", etc. To
some extent I feel that it is possible to drive a car hard without
abusing it, but auto-x and drag racing don't fit into those categories.
I've seen differentials, halfshafts, blocking rings, wheel bearings, tie
rods, clutches, endlinks and much more fail prematurely because of "hard
driving". I think that we can agree that if you are going to drive hard,
you should be willing to pay.

Ian


-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Porter
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:56 AM
To: 'shotimes'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: Was ? Now Abuse?


Personally, I hardly view the Forum or the Delphi Forum as being
representative of anything, except a lot of young folks buying old cars
because they are cheap, then not having the experience/money/both to
maintain them properly......or to know that they should not have bought
that particular car in the first place. Just observing their results
does not explain the processes of how they got there. The term "delayed
maintenance" comes to mind.

I still didn't have issues with my '89 with well over 150K miles. The
car was maintained properly. Sure, at some point stuff is gonna wear
out/break, but drag racing, autocross, or track work do not kill the
car.

Ron Porter 

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
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On Behalf Of sho2go
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:32 AM
To: 'shotimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: Was ? Now Abuse?


RP:Sorry, I totally disagree, and I respectfully submit that your
comments are based on false assumptions and ill-informed rumors.

MT: Disagree, your right.  False assumptions and rumors, dead wrong.
Look on the forum: post after post is about how to fix something broken.
My cars
(both) just keep trucking.

RP:Yeah, if you drive like grandma, I guess you would view dragstrip use
as "abuse". I have never "dropped" the clutch in a SHO, and my dragstrip
starts are the only thing that might be slightly different than my
street starts (in as I don't spin the wheels that much on a street
start). Shifting is NO different.

MT:Drive like a grandma?  A little resume: former SCCA member, hot laps
on the Nurburgring; Alaska-Canada road rallye (twice), 10 years ice
racing in a 240Z highly modified and a SAAB Sonnet turboed (scary fast),
4 years dirt track, some Riverside Raceway experience.  None of those
cars included a Taurus, though.  As for your street and strip techniques
being the same, I'm speechless ..........

RP:These cars are OLD!!!!!! Trannies/diffs dying, etc at over 150K miles
and/or more than 7-8 years of age are to be expected!! Those of us who
bought new Shos in the early days, and drove the snot out of them, did
not have these issues when the cars were 5 years old or newer.

MT: Exactly my point!!!  Going on 8-13 years .

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
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On Behalf Of sho2go
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 4:03 PM
To: shotimes
Subject: [Shotimes] Re: Was ? Now Abuse?


OK, foot out of mouth now ;-)  that wasn't meant at anybody in
particular; everyone has his own button that gets pushed in a particular
way.  If I'm looking for a street car, it won't see the strip ever.  To
me that is abuse; no use going to the strip unless you're going to drop
the clutch and power shift.  I built Chevys in the 60s that did that and
would keep going forever.  Shoforum and these boards are full of people
asking about rebuilding trannys and so forth, these cars aren't happy
doing this sort of thing for very long.  I think its a stage of life
thing; I have no problem doing a quick redline run with someone on the
freeway, but no more running the ATX up to stall speed or slipping my
foot off the clutch. Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Nunnally" <manunnal@netheaven.com>
To: "shotimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] High Mileage Vs. "Remanufactured" Car
Values.....was: 94 Moonlight Blue MTX FS


> >Even if Mark's re-engined, custom painted etc. MTX had only 50K 
> >miles, I wouldn't be interested in a car that got its miles 1/4 mile 
> >at a time.
>
> I didn't get a chance to run George's 3.2L at the track :)
>
> And I'm like Ron P.  I'd rather have a clean interior/exterior 100k 
> car
that
> was maintained and *driven hard*, than a 20k clean interior/exterior 
> that sits around in the garage all the time and gets 1/4 throttle 
> driving.  I
can
> just about bet you which one will run harder.
>
> You can drive a car hard and not abuse it.  There's a difference.
>
> mark
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