[Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings

[Paul Nimz]

On the GEN 3s the fsb will move back and forth and 1" or more without the
collars.  Seems to be generation specific.  I used some aluminum split
collars to do the job.

Paul Nimz
'97 TR
'93 EG mtx



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'Kirk Doucette'" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>; "'shotimes'"
<Shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings


> I was under the impression that a bar would shift & "clunk" on a Gen 3
> without the collars (which doesn't seem to happen on Gen 1/2s).
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Doucette [mailto:Kirk.doucette@verizon.net]
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:09 PM
> To: Ron Porter; 'shotimes'
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings
>
>
> We use the same bar and mounts, they must have put it there for some
reason.
> I think it's a good idea because you can on any Gen 1 and 2 pull the bar
> several inches, that several inches is where your weight transfer begins
to
> get sent to the rear. If the bar is stationary it does a "better" job.
> Maybe a 22 up front with the collars?
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:41 AM
> To: 'Kirk Doucette'; 'shotimes'
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings
>
> Kirk, I believe the "collar" issue is only needed on Gen 3s to keep the
bar
> from "walking", Gen 1/2s don't have them from the factory, and don't seem
to
> need them from the way the bar fits.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Doucette [mailto:Kirk.doucette@verizon.net]
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: Ron Porter; 'van Oss'; 'James F. Ryan III'; 'shotimes'
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings
>
>
> "I agree with the autocross guys in using a small front bar for
lower-speed
> neutral handling, but my on/off-ramp work, plus the tracks we do, make me
> believe the 24/26 works better."
>
> Try a Gen 3 with that combo, Al bushings, Tubular control arms, poly
> bushings, a car that is only 4.5 inches off the ground and SARC in STIFF
> mode. Made short work of Z06, Cobra, Rx7, and many others last week at
> Watkins Glen and Summit Point.
>
> - 1.7 degree of camber in the rear works wonders :)
>
> Anyone installing a 24 should have the collars welded on the inside of the
> bar bushings to limit bar side to side travel.
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Ron Porter
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:51 PM
> To: 'van Oss'; 'James F. Ryan III'; 'shotimes'
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings
>
> Well, I disagree.
>
> Example #1: Green '95 MTX with 24/26, Koni/Eibach on Firm, AL SFB,
H-brace.
> For Summit Point and my favorite off-ramps that I take at 50-70 mph, the
> 24/26 works VERY well.
>
> Example #2 that I'm working on: New '94 MTX with Tokico/Eibach and long
SFCs
> welded in. Per Randy Smith, oversteer can be induced easily since he had
the
> SFCs welded in (this car has the stock '94 bars, which I assume are the
> 20.6mm bamboo poles). I am looking at transferring my 24/26 bars over. I
may
> try the 26mm rear alone first, but I suspect the 24/26 combo may work
> better. BTW, I will also be transferring the AL SFBs.
>
> I agree with the autocross guys in using a small front bar for lower-speed
> neutral handling, but my on/off-ramp work, plus the tracks we do, make me
> believe the 24/26 works better.
>
> No offense, but (1) you guys may do curves slower than I do, and (2) you
may
> have a different driving technique.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of van Oss
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:44 PM
> To: James F. Ryan III; iceman@cmgate.com; 'shotimes'
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings
>
>
> Jim, I agree!  My 92 did not become a neutral handler until it got the
20/26
> combo.  BTW this is a car with stock diff, SHO SHOP linear front springs,
> Eibach rear, and 4 Tokicos.
>
> Joseph van Oss
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Also, my '91+ came with the 24/26 setup from the factory and I've never
been
> happy with the handling - understeer.  I once drove a '90 LX wagon (rental
> car) and was amazed that it handled better than my SHO!!!
>
> I recently bought a 22mm and a 20.5mm FSB and I'm looking forward to
testing
> both of them.  When I do, the ES poly bushings will finally be thrown away
> and I'll try rubber bushings on the front and TPR bushings on the rear.
>
> As always, YMMV.  Some people like the combo you're installing, but I vote
> No for the 24/26 setup and No for the ES poly bushings.
>
> Jim Ryan
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