[Shotimes] 11.87 second SHO...

[Russ M.]

  FWIW:

  
From: "Ted A. Breaux" <tabreaux@neworleans.com> 
To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@ls.c-edge.com> 
Subject: Re: GET BACK THE 300HP 
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:11:18 -0500 
       
 
> And a SHO cannot see 300hp without a supercharger, turbo, or nitrous.


Hmmmm....you'd better take a look at this:

Back in '94, I had custom made true duals, cams, adjustable cam 
sprockets,
UDP, prototype LPM, 36 lb/hr injectors, 155lph fuel pump, 77mm MAF, and
slick ceramic coated intake (inside and out).  I also had 17" wheels, 
tires,
Eibachs, konis, etc.  I went to the track with about 5 gal of fuel in 
the
tank.  The actual weight was right at 3500lb.  After posting a couple 
of
smoking tire high 14 sec runs, I posted a high 13sec@105mph run 
following a
perfect high rpm launch.  I was able to do it by revving the motor to 
around
3500rpm and feathering the clutch.  I remember this because it was in 
time
trials, and I smoked a new Trans-Am on this run.  After a couple more
throwaway runs, I managed to do it one more time (raced an old 
Barracuda
that time I think).  I still have the timeslips in a 'nostalgia' box
somewhere.  Everyone at the track was gawking.  At that same period, I
managed 8000rpm (programmed rev limit) in fourth one summer evening
(158+mph).  I also trounced my friend's Buick GN (with flowmaster 
exhaust
and turbo mods) from 70-140mph by about 4-5 lengths.  A subsequent trip

to
Texas Turbo in Houston was the only time the car ever saw the dyno.  
The
dyno was an adjustable load Clayton, with Gene Deputy at the operator's
helm.  FWIW, a bone stock Mustang 5.0L GT saw 185hp at the wheels.  We
rolled my car up, and after several warm-ups, it touched 270hp at the 
wheels
at 7500-7600rpm.  Now, I don't want to hear any dyno rebuttal talk.  
Just
compare the results to my track performance.  My clutch didn't last 
long!

It was this astounding surprise in performance which gave me the 
impetus to
share what I theorized up to that point via the SHO performance 
guidebook I
wrote.  When I let a couple of other SHO owners have a turn at the 
wheel,
they were flabbergasted.  The sad part is that after I spent all kinds 
of $$
in additional work and headers headache, the car really lost its power.
Those headers really took the life out of it.  No matter what I did 
after
that (endless hours of cam timing and fuel and spark changes), I never 
could
get to to run right again.  My SHO was done at the end of '94.

Case 2:

Mike Wesley's '89 unexpectedly ruined a piston.  He just dropped off 
the car
at the Ford Engineering workshop (SVT I believe), where they proceeded 
to
install (after months of waiting) an engine which was shipped from the
Yamaha R&D facility in Japan.  The engine was 'blueprinted' at Yamaha, 
and
purportedly had different spec cams and who knows what else.  Mike had 
a
77mm MAF, UDP, and self-programmed LPM (with a bunch of weird changes I
cannot remember).  Mike took out the seats, insulation, and other 
items,
which removed several hundred pounds from the car.  The guys at the 
Ford
Engineering shop crafted a true dual stainless exhaust system w/no cats

(ok
for a manufacturer's plate car).  Mike had some slicks on the car I 
believe,
and posted a 13.3 @ 111mph.  This is the fastest recorded time I know 
of for
a SHO, period.

Rest assured that these two cases are no B.S.

T.A. Breaux



From: "Don D." <1badsho@thenuthouse.com> 
To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@ls.c-edge.com> 
CC: snkypete@banet.net 
Subject: Re: GET BACK THE 300HP 
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:09:45 -0700 
       
Pete :

I would disagree with your statement ...not to start a new thread ... 
though
I haven't had my  car dynoed ... and its currently  getting rebuilt do 
to a
bad valve spring .... that failed .... I think u can get 300  + HP ....

with
out a  S/C, without nitrous  and without  a turbo.

When I get my SHO back in a mth ... I expect to dyno around 310 .... 
maybe
even 320.

Let me explain how ; this is what I have done to the car ....

- 3.0 block bored to a 3.2 and shaved by 12,000 of a  inch to increase
compression
- all balanced and blueprinted
- 10- 1 compression forged pistons
- 30pd injectors
- ported/polished heads
- stage II cams
- big bore butterflies
- big bore T.B.
- extrude honed  collectors
- rickety Headers  and true duel exhaust
- 77 Pro-Flow mass air in the drivers side fender well ....  sucking 
all
cool air
- Finally, a LPM from Ted to run all the electronics accordingly

I might be surprised  ... and not hit the 300 mark ... but I really 
dont
think that will happen ...

my .04 cents worth and than some !

Don D.


From: "Ted A. Breaux" <tabreaux@neworleans.com> 
To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@ls.c-edge.com> 
Subject: Re: Toned down yamahammer? 
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:49:09 -0500 
       
Not so fast.

Initially, Ford consulted Yamaha to develop the cylinder heads for this
engine.  When the standard Vulcan V6 block proved to be too fragile in 
the
web area to meet the design criteria, Ford turned over development of 
the
entire engine to Yamaha.  Ford required the engine to be able to run at

7500
rpm for one hour with no mechanical stress.  The proposed sports coupe
project you spoke of was stillborn well prior to completing the engine
development.

The prototype engine used a speed density system (no MAF), different 
cams
(and different cam timing), a tuned exhaust system, and was indeed 
300hp.
Yamaha likewise demonstrated that the engine could run at an excess of
8000rpm indefinitely.

Ford did NOT want 300hp in a sedan with manual trans. and all the
accompanying warranty headaches, neither did they want it to eclipse 
the
performance of their premier sports GT (Mustang).

When you look at the specifics, the motor is clearly capable of 100hp/L

with
proper ancillary hardware.

The same Ford engineer which furnished me with this background info 
also
informed me of the existence of the original data (in Japanese 
however).  He
also informed me that a working model of the prototype engine existed 
in
Ford's Cray Supercomputer.  An added note is that Yamaha is required by
contract to supply spare parts for these engines until 2015 (I think).

T.A. Breaux




--- dmall@mwonline.net wrote:
> Ron,
>......I think there have been documented cars with 
> 300+ hp without a power adder/blower/NOS/turbo.
> 
> Anyone have any facts on what Ted ever got accomplished with 
> his car?
> > Don Mallinson
> 


> Ron Porter wrote:
> >> > Now......here's another one for the barf bag!!!!! It is the
vendor,
> > specifically Bob Walter at Logicams. SHO Registry, Volume 4 Number
> 1, Spring
> > 1994, on Page 7 (the Logicams full-page ad).
> > 
> > "Ted Breaux's 1989 "SHO" 3.0 litre DOHC Four Cam V-6 Now Making 325
> HP On
> > The Dyno Documented"
> > 
>> > No mention of either of these cars with blowers. Sorry, can't buy
> either one
> > of these, particularly 450 HP from a "Four Cam-Four Valve DOHC" SHO
> Motor!!
>


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