[Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (comput er stuf)

Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:19:30 -0500

Um... I know I'm just a lowly lurker and I don't really contribute to the
list much, but wouldn't this, um, conversation be better suited being
settled in private? maybe down a back alley? Maybe over the phone or
something? Just suggesting...

Jason
'94 ATX 100K red (works g|d!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:18 PM
To: 'SHOTimes-Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
(computer stuf)

Who's playing the "know more than you" game?? When you go around calling
anyone and everyone who uses AV software as "stupid", which is basically
making it seem that you somehow are on a higher plane than all these folks,
I find you to be an arrogant a-hole. Bitching about companies making $$$ on
this is a liberal, anti-corporate crap that has come out of places like Ann
Arbor since I first stepped on campus there in 1968.

Glad I have no clue as to what is going on, as I guess my life has been a
total loss in my ignorance.

BTW, you still living at home and delivering pizzas???

Ron Porter 

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Noah South III
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:44 PM
To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (computer
stuf)

I don't feel like playing the "I know more than you" game with you Ron.  I
also don't feel like playing the name calling game with you either.  I
really revel in the fact that you seem to think I'm liberal, and even
more-so "anti-capitalist."  You go right ahead and believe what you'd like.
You paint a pretty portrait, but nothing could be further from the truth.
Which is why I have little doubt in accusing you of have absolutely NO clue
as to what is going on.  And I thought a man of your age and experience
would have known better.......

-Noah South III

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (computer
stuf)

> Oh please, cut out the arrogance crap.....you are a "stupid" a user as
> anyone!!!!  And not anywhere near all viruses and worms come in on
> executable attachments.
>
> Hey, if every car driver like yourself was not "being stupid", they
wouldn't
> have any accidents or get any tickets?? This describes you, right????
>
> And you still use a DOS tool, gee let's sit at your feet and learn about
the
> world of computers......NOT!!
>
> Just because you are the anti-capitalist liberal who doesn't like the fact
> that companies can (gasp!!) MAKE MONEY selling AV software doesn't mean it
> isn't meaningful. What you do on your little home system has no relevance
to
> what is needed to keep major networks running smoothly.
>
> Some of the biggest headaches that my desktop/network support guys have
are
> not from what you call the "stupid" users (who actually follow
directions),
> but from the young smart-ass users like yourself who think that, since
they
> install their own hardware and software at home, they "know it all" and
that
> they know how their desktop/laptop "should" be configured!!
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Noah South III
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:08 PM
> To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (computer
> stuf)
>
>
> Ok I let this thread go long enough and no ones said this.  Virus
Protectors
> are for people that do stupid things like run suspicious executables.
They
> seriously slow your machine down if they're protecting anything.  You
should
> realize that they scan EVERY DAMN EXECUTIBLE before it is run, unless
> they're set in scan all mode, and then they scan EVERY SINGLE FILE
ACCESSED.
> Just think how much this slows your computer down?
>
> "Oh but I have a 2.4 Athlon, it can't slow that down."  Yes it can and it
> does.  Turn that stupid program off for a day and then see how much faster
> things launch or load files.  A virus protector is unnecessary if you're
not
> being stupid.  The reason companies have virus protectors on all of their
> computers is because the IT guys realized it would save them a whole lot
of
> headache if they just prevented the stupid users from infecting their
> computers.  At all the local universities and colleges there are virus
> protectors on the machines......I wonder why?  There is a place for virus
> protectors........on a computer that is going to be used by someone who
> doesn't really use computers.
>
> Someone also said something about their virus protector having a boot
sector
> virus scanning.................um, I haven't seen a BIOS since the early
90s
> that didn't have built in boot sector virus scanning.....oh wait, that's
> free and built in to your computer regardless of OS.
>
> Let me lay this down real simple-like.  If you can resist opening random
> files found online, or are competent enough to use a virus scanner to
> selectively scan suspicious files, then you have NO need for a virus
> protector as all it will do is slow you and your system down.  If you have
> no idea what I'm talking about and worry about getting a virus, go ahead
get
> a virus protector you'll need one.
>
> Lastly, someone else said something in regards to the anti-virus companies
> scare tactics.  That's what they are kids, scare tactics.  Do you all have
> even the FAINTEST clue as to how big the AV industry is?  Realize that
> McAffee is in just about EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in this country that has
> computers in it.  They get paid a license fee for EACH computer their
> software gets installed on.  How many computers are there total in all the
> schools in this country..................get the picture?  It's in their
> best interest to hype up the fear of viri and get the system to buy into
it.
> It's more geek technobabble designed to scare the unknowing into spending
> money.
>
> Anyway, you want a REAL anti-virus, go get F-Prot for DOS.  It's FREE, and
> because it's for DOS it can be run from the command line after booting
with
> an emergency boot disk (incase a virus is responsible for your OS not
> booting).  It's also about twice as fast as any windows based virus
scanner.
>
> -Noah South III
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