[Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (comput er stuf)

Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:43:00 -0600

It's just a battle of who has the last word.....

Paul Nimz
'97 TR
'93 EG mtx

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hartberger, Jason M. ATAN" <hartbejm@roosevelt.navy.mil>
To: "'Ron Porter'" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (comput er
stuf)

> Um... I know I'm just a lowly lurker and I don't really contribute to the
> list much, but wouldn't this, um, conversation be better suited being
> settled in private? maybe down a back alley? Maybe over the phone or
> something? Just suggesting...
>
> Jason
> '94 ATX 100K red (works g|d!)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:18 PM
> To: 'SHOTimes-Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
> (computer stuf)
>
>
> Who's playing the "know more than you" game?? When you go around calling
> anyone and everyone who uses AV software as "stupid", which is basically
> making it seem that you somehow are on a higher plane than all these
folks,
> I find you to be an arrogant a-hole. Bitching about companies making $$$
on
> this is a liberal, anti-corporate crap that has come out of places like
Ann
> Arbor since I first stepped on campus there in 1968.
>
> Glad I have no clue as to what is going on, as I guess my life has been a
> total loss in my ignorance.
>
> BTW, you still living at home and delivering pizzas???
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Noah South III
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:44 PM
> To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (computer
> stuf)
>
>
> I don't feel like playing the "I know more than you" game with you Ron.  I
> also don't feel like playing the name calling game with you either.  I
> really revel in the fact that you seem to think I'm liberal, and even
> more-so "anti-capitalist."  You go right ahead and believe what you'd
like.
> You paint a pretty portrait, but nothing could be further from the truth.
> Which is why I have little doubt in accusing you of have absolutely NO
clue
> as to what is going on.  And I thought a man of your age and experience
> would have known better.......
>
> -Noah South III
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> To: "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:10 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (computer
> stuf)
>
>
> > Oh please, cut out the arrogance crap.....you are a "stupid" a user as
> > anyone!!!!  And not anywhere near all viruses and worms come in on
> > executable attachments.
> >
> > Hey, if every car driver like yourself was not "being stupid", they
> wouldn't
> > have any accidents or get any tickets?? This describes you, right????
> >
> > And you still use a DOS tool, gee let's sit at your feet and learn about
> the
> > world of computers......NOT!!
> >
> > Just because you are the anti-capitalist liberal who doesn't like the
fact
> > that companies can (gasp!!) MAKE MONEY selling AV software doesn't mean
it
> > isn't meaningful. What you do on your little home system has no
relevance
> to
> > what is needed to keep major networks running smoothly.
> >
> > Some of the biggest headaches that my desktop/network support guys have
> are
> > not from what you call the "stupid" users (who actually follow
> directions),
> > but from the young smart-ass users like yourself who think that, since
> they
> > install their own hardware and software at home, they "know it all" and
> that
> > they know how their desktop/laptop "should" be configured!!
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Noah South III
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:08 PM
> > To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
(computer
> > stuf)
> >
> >
> > Ok I let this thread go long enough and no ones said this.  Virus
> Protectors
> > are for people that do stupid things like run suspicious executables.
> They
> > seriously slow your machine down if they're protecting anything.  You
> should
> > realize that they scan EVERY DAMN EXECUTIBLE before it is run, unless
> > they're set in scan all mode, and then they scan EVERY SINGLE FILE
> ACCESSED.
> > Just think how much this slows your computer down?
> >
> > "Oh but I have a 2.4 Athlon, it can't slow that down."  Yes it can and
it
> > does.  Turn that stupid program off for a day and then see how much
faster
> > things launch or load files.  A virus protector is unnecessary if you're
> not
> > being stupid.  The reason companies have virus protectors on all of
their
> > computers is because the IT guys realized it would save them a whole lot
> of
> > headache if they just prevented the stupid users from infecting their
> > computers.  At all the local universities and colleges there are virus
> > protectors on the machines......I wonder why?  There is a place for
virus
> > protectors........on a computer that is going to be used by someone who
> > doesn't really use computers.
> >
> > Someone also said something about their virus protector having a boot
> sector
> > virus scanning.................um, I haven't seen a BIOS since the early
> 90s
> > that didn't have built in boot sector virus scanning.....oh wait, that's
> > free and built in to your computer regardless of OS.
> >
> > Let me lay this down real simple-like.  If you can resist opening random
> > files found online, or are competent enough to use a virus scanner to
> > selectively scan suspicious files, then you have NO need for a virus
> > protector as all it will do is slow you and your system down.  If you
have
> > no idea what I'm talking about and worry about getting a virus, go ahead
> get
> > a virus protector you'll need one.
> >
> > Lastly, someone else said something in regards to the anti-virus
companies
> > scare tactics.  That's what they are kids, scare tactics.  Do you all
have
> > even the FAINTEST clue as to how big the AV industry is?  Realize that
> > McAffee is in just about EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in this country that has
> > computers in it.  They get paid a license fee for EACH computer their
> > software gets installed on.  How many computers are there total in all
the
> > schools in this country..................get the picture?  It's in their
> > best interest to hype up the fear of viri and get the system to buy into
> it.
> > It's more geek technobabble designed to scare the unknowing into
spending
> > money.
> >
> > Anyway, you want a REAL anti-virus, go get F-Prot for DOS.  It's FREE,
and
> > because it's for DOS it can be run from the command line after booting
> with
> > an emergency boot disk (incase a virus is responsible for your OS not
> > booting).  It's also about twice as fast as any windows based virus
> scanner.
> >
> > -Noah South III
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