[Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (comput er stuf)

Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:15:24 -0600

Well, I'm last now. ;-)

I do enjoy a good pie throwing contest, if its done with class.

John W.
Zone Alarm
Norton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Nimz" <niks@dialnetwork.com>
To: "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (comput er
stuf)

> It's just a battle of who has the last word.....
>
> Paul Nimz
> '97 TR
> '93 EG mtx
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hartberger, Jason M. ATAN" <hartbejm@roosevelt.navy.mil>
> To: "'Ron Porter'" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was (comput er
> stuf)
>
>
> > Um... I know I'm just a lowly lurker and I don't really contribute to
the
> > list much, but wouldn't this, um, conversation be better suited being
> > settled in private? maybe down a back alley? Maybe over the phone or
> > something? Just suggesting...
> >
> > Jason
> > '94 ATX 100K red (works g|d!)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:18 PM
> > To: 'SHOTimes-Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
> > (computer stuf)
> >
> >
> > Who's playing the "know more than you" game?? When you go around calling
> > anyone and everyone who uses AV software as "stupid", which is basically
> > making it seem that you somehow are on a higher plane than all these
> folks,
> > I find you to be an arrogant a-hole. Bitching about companies making $$$
> on
> > this is a liberal, anti-corporate crap that has come out of places like
> Ann
> > Arbor since I first stepped on campus there in 1968.
> >
> > Glad I have no clue as to what is going on, as I guess my life has been
a
> > total loss in my ignorance.
> >
> > BTW, you still living at home and delivering pizzas???
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Noah South III
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:44 PM
> > To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
(computer
> > stuf)
> >
> >
> > I don't feel like playing the "I know more than you" game with you Ron.
I
> > also don't feel like playing the name calling game with you either.  I
> > really revel in the fact that you seem to think I'm liberal, and even
> > more-so "anti-capitalist."  You go right ahead and believe what you'd
> like.
> > You paint a pretty portrait, but nothing could be further from the
truth.
> > Which is why I have little doubt in accusing you of have absolutely NO
> clue
> > as to what is going on.  And I thought a man of your age and experience
> > would have known better.......
> >
> > -Noah South III
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > To: "'SHOTimes-Mailing List'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:10 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
(computer
> > stuf)
> >
> >
> > > Oh please, cut out the arrogance crap.....you are a "stupid" a user as
> > > anyone!!!!  And not anywhere near all viruses and worms come in on
> > > executable attachments.
> > >
> > > Hey, if every car driver like yourself was not "being stupid", they
> > wouldn't
> > > have any accidents or get any tickets?? This describes you, right????
> > >
> > > And you still use a DOS tool, gee let's sit at your feet and learn
about
> > the
> > > world of computers......NOT!!
> > >
> > > Just because you are the anti-capitalist liberal who doesn't like the
> fact
> > > that companies can (gasp!!) MAKE MONEY selling AV software doesn't
mean
> it
> > > isn't meaningful. What you do on your little home system has no
> relevance
> > to
> > > what is needed to keep major networks running smoothly.
> > >
> > > Some of the biggest headaches that my desktop/network support guys
have
> > are
> > > not from what you call the "stupid" users (who actually follow
> > directions),
> > > but from the young smart-ass users like yourself who think that, since
> > they
> > > install their own hardware and software at home, they "know it all"
and
> > that
> > > they know how their desktop/laptop "should" be configured!!
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Noah South III
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:08 PM
> > > To: SHOTimes-Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT- viri scaner ....................was
> (computer
> > > stuf)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok I let this thread go long enough and no ones said this.  Virus
> > Protectors
> > > are for people that do stupid things like run suspicious executables.
> > They
> > > seriously slow your machine down if they're protecting anything.  You
> > should
> > > realize that they scan EVERY DAMN EXECUTIBLE before it is run, unless
> > > they're set in scan all mode, and then they scan EVERY SINGLE FILE
> > ACCESSED.
> > > Just think how much this slows your computer down?
> > >
> > > "Oh but I have a 2.4 Athlon, it can't slow that down."  Yes it can and
> it
> > > does.  Turn that stupid program off for a day and then see how much
> faster
> > > things launch or load files.  A virus protector is unnecessary if
you're
> > not
> > > being stupid.  The reason companies have virus protectors on all of
> their
> > > computers is because the IT guys realized it would save them a whole
lot
> > of
> > > headache if they just prevented the stupid users from infecting their
> > > computers.  At all the local universities and colleges there are virus
> > > protectors on the machines......I wonder why?  There is a place for
> virus
> > > protectors........on a computer that is going to be used by someone
who
> > > doesn't really use computers.
> > >
> > > Someone also said something about their virus protector having a boot
> > sector
> > > virus scanning.................um, I haven't seen a BIOS since the
early
> > 90s
> > > that didn't have built in boot sector virus scanning.....oh wait,
that's
> > > free and built in to your computer regardless of OS.
> > >
> > > Let me lay this down real simple-like.  If you can resist opening
random
> > > files found online, or are competent enough to use a virus scanner to
> > > selectively scan suspicious files, then you have NO need for a virus
> > > protector as all it will do is slow you and your system down.  If you
> have
> > > no idea what I'm talking about and worry about getting a virus, go
ahead
> > get
> > > a virus protector you'll need one.
> > >
> > > Lastly, someone else said something in regards to the anti-virus
> companies
> > > scare tactics.  That's what they are kids, scare tactics.  Do you all
> have
> > > even the FAINTEST clue as to how big the AV industry is?  Realize that
> > > McAffee is in just about EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in this country that has
> > > computers in it.  They get paid a license fee for EACH computer their
> > > software gets installed on.  How many computers are there total in all
> the
> > > schools in this country..................get the picture?  It's in
their
> > > best interest to hype up the fear of viri and get the system to buy
into
> > it.
> > > It's more geek technobabble designed to scare the unknowing into
> spending
> > > money.
> > >
> > > Anyway, you want a REAL anti-virus, go get F-Prot for DOS.  It's FREE,
> and
> > > because it's for DOS it can be run from the command line after booting
> > with
> > > an emergency boot disk (incase a virus is responsible for your OS not
> > > booting).  It's also about twice as fast as any windows based virus
> > scanner.
> > >
> > > -Noah South III
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