[Shotimes] More A/C questions!

Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:29:43 -0400

That helped keep my 91 conversion to 134a temps around 38F. Had to replace
the condenser and the after market was the new design. It also held a little
less freon. worked well. If the awa was shotgun she had a blanket on her.
        Ken

> One thing to keep in mind for those considering converting earlier SHOs-
> Ford upgraded the condenser sometime in 92 or 93 in preparation for
R-134A.
> This condenser is constructed differently than the earlier tube and fin
> design and is
> quite a bit more efficient. A pic is shown here:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?D19521AC5
> The more efficient condensor results in colder in cabin temps, lower high
> side pressures and less
> overall strain on the a/c system.  Not saying it is a necessity to upgrade
> but those in hot climates and
> wanting best system performance should consider it.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> To: <stevetatro@att.net>
> Cc: "'SHOTimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] More A/C questions!
>
>
> > Don't let that reason be a detractor.  If the job is done right, you
won't
> > have to worry about leaks.
> > But even if you do decide to go the R134a route, I don't think that
you'll
> > notice any less efficiency.  The A/C in my son's 95 MTX works very well
> > for an 8 year old car.
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Carl Prochilo
> > 92 Ultra Red Crimson - 201K
> >
> > > Yeah, but then every time a little leaks out and I take it to the shop
> to
> > > get it topped off, it's $50.
> > >
> > > The R134a is so cheap, I figured it might be worth a shot.  For $40 I
> can
> > > get enough R134a, the green neoprene rings, the proper fittings, and
be
> > > done.
> > >
> > > Here's the real question.  I understand that the R12 oil isn't
> compatible
> > > with the R134a.  The best way to get the old oil out is to let the a/c
> run
> > > for awhile and then vacuum everything, right?  I can't run the a/c for
> any
> > > amount of time, so I'm not sure how to get the old oil out.  If I were
> to
> > > replace the compressor, fill the system with the R134a, run the system
> for
> > > awhile, and immediately evacuate everything (hopefully including the
> oil),
> > > couldn't I then put in brand new R134a and oil?
> > >
> > > So many questions.  So little time ;^)
> > >
> > > Thanks again everybody for the help.  Keep it coming!
> > >
> > > Steve Tatro
> > > Red/Black '93 with 170k miles
> > > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Ron Porter
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:11 PM
> > > To: stevetatro@att.net; 'Paul L Fisher'
> > > Cc: 'SHOTimes'
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] More A/C questions!
> > >
> > >
> > > Just get the R12, it isn't THAT bad.....maybe $100 max for a total
fill.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Steve Tatro
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:29 PM
> > > To: 'Paul L Fisher'
> > > Cc: 'SHOTimes'
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] More A/C questions!
> > >
> > >
> > > You think the cost of the R-12 is worth it?  It will cost a bundle,
no?
> > >
> > > I figured I could get a conversion kit with new rings, the R134a, and
> the
> > > fittings and be somewhat happy.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steve Tatro
> > > Red/Black '93 with 170k miles
> > > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:sho@paul-fisher.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:48 PM
> > > To: stevetatro@att.net; Steve Tatro
> > > Cc: 'SHOTimes'
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] More A/C questions!
> > >
> > >
> > > You already mentioned less efficient. It is WAY less efficient. Also,
> > > there
> > > are
> > > official Ford kits out there to convert to R134a. Don't just go to
> > > Autozone
> > > and
> > > get their $19.95 kit.
> > >
> > > If it is just your compressor that is toast, redo it with R12.
> > > --
> > >
> > > Paul L Fisher
> > > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 177K Build date 11/18/1992
> > > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
> > > Holley
> > > 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
Performance-Plus
> > > Stainless Steel Y-pipe, Delrin sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000
> > > 0W-30
> > > oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
> > >
> > > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> > > Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
> > >
> > > Get $5 free from Paypal!
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> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Steve Tatro <stevetatro_shotimes@att.net>:
> > >
> > >> Okay, here's my plan.
> > >>
> > >> Since my SHO is officially an old piece of garbage, and it's trade-in
> > >> value (based on KBB, Edmunds, etc.) is now under $1000, I want to fix
> > >> my a/c compressor as cheaply as possible.
> > >>
> > >> So, I'm going to have the old R-12 evacuated, remove/replace the
> > >> compressor and clutch, convert the fittings to the new R-134a style,
> > >> and refill the system.
> > >>
> > >> Can anybody give me a reason NOT to do this?  I know the system can't
> > >> be as efficient, but I'm not about to dump $1500 into it.  Sorry if
> > >> you don't like me now ;^)
> > >>
> > >> Is there any possible damage this can cause?  I have friend who's
> > >> taking hands-on car shop classes, and when they needed to replace the
> > >> compressor on an old S-10, this is exactly what they did.  I'm not
> > >> saying it's the best way, but will it work and not cause any further
> > >> damage?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks as always,
> > >>
> > >> Steve Tatro
> > >> Red/Black '93 with 170k miles
> > >> Cincinnati, Ohio
> > >>
> > >> P.S.  PFish, does your air work?  If so, it may be cost-effective for
> > >> me to just buy your car.  I'd probably forget which one is which
> > >> though ;^) _______________________________________________
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