[Shotimes] 235x45x17 tires

Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:30:17 -0400

I have had the Nittos on the 911, and had the P7000 SS in a 225/50/16 size
on my '99 SHO. Those wheels/tires were then sold to Ryan Dudek for his '98
SHO. FWIW, I loved the 7000 SSs, as did Ryan. I never did a track with them,
but they worked well. Ryan can speak to the noise as they got worn, but they
are a bit noisy when new, very similar to the ES100s. By this I mean that,
with the stereo at normal volume, you don't hear them, but you can hear
either of those tires with the stereo off. No big deal to me. FWIW, probably
the best street tire, short of a slick, is the Yoko A032R, and I also
understand that they are also about the noisiest street tire that you can
buy! Everyone has to decide what their personal trade-offs are.

Tires are obviously subjective, but I would recommend both, and especially
the P7000 SS for an all-season, but it appears that Pirelli is phasing out
the P7000 Summer & SuperSports, as the size choice at Tire Rack and Discount
Tires is very limited.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael [mailto:molsen@excite.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:05 PM
To: niks@dialnetwork.com; ronporter@prodigy.net; Kirk.doucette@verizon.net;
1badsho@mail.tnh.net; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 235x45x17 tires

I have had Nitto 450 and Pirelli P7000SS (both in size 235/45-17) on 8"
rims. Nitto's have poor grip and handle exceptionally bad on wet roads.
P7000SS is much better in both respects.  The bad news a about the 7000's is
that they become exceeding noisy as they wear down. I can not recommend
either of these tires.

94MTX,green,BOS+

 --- On Tue 09/16, Paul Nimz < niks@dialnetwork.com > wrote:
From: Paul Nimz [mailto: niks@dialnetwork.com]
To: ronporter@prodigy.net, Kirk.doucette@verizon.net, 1badsho@mail.tnh.net,
shotimes@autox.team.net
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:46:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 235x45x17 tires

I have the Kumhos 712 245/45/16s, and at Summit Point could not get them
to<br>break lose (once I learned how to drive).  IMHO they are a great track
tire,<br>one of the first silica based tires, excellent in rain, no good
below 40F<br>but I had a very difficult time balancing them.  I got about
20k on them.  I<br>also have the Nitto 450s (225/50/16).  Again IMHO this is
a great highway<br>and everyday use tire.  Good in the rain, rides nice, no
balance problems,<br>usable all year (but not a snow tire), good at the
strip and very good, even<br>wear.<br><br>I am at the point where I need new
tires for the '97 and I probably will go<br>with the Nittos.<br><br>Paul
Nimz<br>'97 TR<br>'93 EG mtx<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----
<br>From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net><br>To: "'Kirk Doucette'"
<Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>;
<1badsho@mail.tnh.net>;<br><shotimes@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Monday,
September 15, 2003 5:35 PM<br>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 235x45x17
tires<br><br><br>> I beg to differ. From my experience, and others who did
the track, the<br>> ES100s ROCK. The are great tires that happen to be
inexpensive.....as<br>> opposed to "great tires for the money".<br>><br>>
Ron Porter<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:
shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]<br>> On
Behalf Of Kirk Doucette<br>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:19 PM<br>>
To: 1badsho@mail.tnh.net; shotimes@autox.team.net<br>> Subject: RE:
[Shotimes] 235x45x17 tires<br>><br>><br>> They are the best in that sub 100
price range, they easily are comparable<br>> with the Firehawks. Fire hawks,
Goodyear F1 and the Pole Postion are the<br>> best tires if you have blood
to sell<br>><br>> Kirk J Doucette<br>> NESHOC President<br>> Stormtrooper-97
White<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:
shotimes-admin@autox.team.net<br>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On<br
>> Behalf Of Donelson Don<br>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:33 PM<br>>
To: shotimes@autox.team.net<br>> Subject: Re: [Shoti!
 mes] 235
x45x17 tires<br>><br>> list<br>><br>><br>> I took don McK.. advice and got
the Kumho tires(712's i think ) at tire<br>rack<br>> for $87 a
tire.<br>><br>> For the money ... didnt think i could beat it .. maybe not
the best tire<br>but<br>> for a every day driver it should do ..<br>><br>>
dond<br>><br>> ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------<br>> From: "Dave Kegel"
<d.kegel@comcast.net><br>> Reply-To: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@comcast.net><br>>
Date:  Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:46:49 -0500<br>><br>> >So, to change the subject
(a little) in 225/55-16 size the Kumho712s are<br>> $75<br>> >each, the Yoko
ES100s are $87 each, the Sumitomo HTR Z are $79 each.<br>> ><br>> >Any votes
for which way to go?  I need to replace the very worn out<br>Dunlop<br>>
>SP8000's on my slicers.<br>> ><br>> >Dave<br>> >----- Original Message
-----<br>> >From: "Mark Nunnally" <manunnal@netheaven.com><br>> >To:
<shotimes@autox.team.net><br>> >Sent: September 15, 2003 11:29 AM<br>>
>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 235x45x17 tires<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> > Yoko ES100:
$111 (I like mine a lot!)<br>> >> ><br>> >> > There's also a flock of tires
in the $150 range, like KDWs, AVS<br>Sports,<br>> >> SZ50<br>> >> > EPs,
etc. IMHO, for the money, the Nitto 450s, MXs, and the ES100s<br>are<br>> >>
great<br>> >> > tires that sell for a great price, plus they all have
good-looking<br>> tread<br>> >> > patterns.<br>> >><br>> >> The ES100's are
WAY better (on the SHO anyway) than the Nitto 450's.  I<br>> >have<br>> >>
the 450's on my 89 (use them as street tires, to and from the track).<br>>
>they<br>> >> are real smooth, easy to balance, and wear like they are made
out of<br>> iron.<br>> >> I got a lot of miles on mine and they still look
new.  they don't have<br>a<br>> >lot<br>> >> of grip though.<br>> >><br>> >>
don't have any wear experience with the ES100's yet (still pretty new)<br>>
but<br>> >> the grip is way more than the 450's, and the yoko's are smooth
and<br>quiet.<br>> >><br>> >> mark<br>> >>
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