[Shotimes] HELP with no-start

[ROBERT SCHIRMER]

Steve

Here is some info that I wrote up for the starter removal from my '93 ATX-
hope it helps

  1.. Starter removal
    1.. Physical removal of the starter will start her, but the starter cannot
be physically removed until the #1 electrical connector covered in Step 4
below is done. The starter has two bolts that hold it in place. The bottom
bolt is a 13 mm. The top bolt is a 15 mm, and a real Pain to get on and off.
You must use a short socket on a 5 =" extension & an air ratchet; or you can
use a 2' extension and get to it thru the passenger side wheel well. Putting
the top bolt back into place during installation is a real pain.
  2.. Oil Cooler removal
    1.. remove the 2 small 8 mm bolts that hold the oil cooler in place  (to
the radiator??). This will give you room to get to the starter electrical
  3.. Starter electrical disconnection  (there are 3 electrical connections to
the starter)
    1.. . #1-Located on the drivers side of the starter, there is a stud that
physically holds the starter in place. It also has a large black wire that is
connected here. When you remove the nut, the stud comes with it. The long side
of the stud goes into the starter during installation.
    2..  #2- located on top of the starter on the passenger side, there is a
push on connector that has a small electrical wire.
    3.. #3- located on the passenger side of the starter, at the front, there
are 2 black /orange wires that connect onto this bolt. These are covered by a
red cover, which has to be pulled back to gain access to the nut

            Bob
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve Tatro<mailto:stevetatro@netzero.com>
  To: stevetatro@netzero.com<mailto:stevetatro@netzero.com>
  Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net<mailto:shotimes@autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Shotimes] HELP with no-start


  So, I could barely get the car started after work tonight to get it home.
Had to have someone turn the ignition while I beat the starter (and/or
solenoid) with my tire iron.

  Now does anyone think it's the starter?  I do.

  So I jack the car up (safely with stands and wheel chocks, of course ;^) and
take a look.  My handy-dandy repair manual says to remove the upper and lower
starter retaining bolts, but it doesn't say how many there are.  I see two
clearly, and one that appears to be a bolt hole with a broken-off stud
inside.

  What's up with that?

  Any info appreciated.  If it wasn't getting so dark I'd just go out and
start working.  Unfortunately I know I'd never get it back together with my
little flashlight ;^)

  Later,

  Steve Tatro
  Red/Black '93 with 176k miles
  Monroe, Ohio


  -- Steve Tatro <stevetatro@netzero.com<mailto:stevetatro@netzero.com>>
wrote:
  So, my car's being a little bitch again.

  Last night I decided I would tinker with it in the garage.  Got home from
work, shut it off.  Backed the truck out of the garage, went to start the SHO,
and nothing.  No cranking, no starter whirring, etc.

  Battery voltage seems fine.  It's not even trying to draw much voltage when
I turn the key (only drops down about .5V).

  The starter is a reman that was put in about 5 years ago, has about 60k
miles on it.

  Here's what may be the key to figuring this out: the car does this when hot,
really hot.  If I let it cool down, it tends to start (although a bit slowly).
It has now repeated this three times; hot = no start, wait = eventual start.

  Ideas?  Suggestions?

  Thanks as always,

  Steve Tatro
  Red/Black '93 with 176k miles
  Monroe, Ohio
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